LET'S ARGUE ABOUT VIDEO GAMES

[Pentegarn]

GW's saying the SNES Zelda sucks

[Guitar Woman]

I'm not just saying that, I legitimately don't like it.

[executioneer]

i like my version of that saying better

Opinions are like assholes, nobody's going to cum all over yours unless you're particularly attractive

[Grislygus]

Okay, I know everybody else has heard this before, but I haven't. How is Link to the Past anything other than a polished Super Nintendo version of everything that you would expect from a Zelda game? I mean, I get it if you don't like the series, but I don't get disliking Link to the Past specifically. Unless you prefer the series in 3d, but you said you liked Link's Awakening?


I'm not being an asshole or asking leading questions for once, I'm legitimately interested

[Guitar Woman]

Basically it was a NES game with upgraded graphics and clumsy design, and didn't have the storybook feel I love from the later games or the ballsy gameplay in the first two.

[WhiteRat]

Link's Awakening was more or less a scaled down version of Link To The Past.

[Guitar Woman]

Except better

[Pentegarn]

If by better you mean here's an annoying interrupting owl getting in your grill while you try to play, then yes!

[Bubsy]

LINK!!!!! LISTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chojin]

what's clumsy about LTTP's design?

i think it's one of the most solid games ever made, and i think pretty much every other zelda game was designed by a drunken lemur

[Guitar Woman]

The levels in that game are horrible pieces of shit, especially after you get to the dark world

"Shit man I can't think of anything clever to put so I guess we'll just have 5000 rooms where the floor tiles float up and attack you. Then maybe some keyhunting and aimless wandering in a roundabout for about 30 years to balance it out. Super pro puzzles!"

I also hate the way combat feels. All of the enemies just sort of bounce off your sword like they're made of rubber and make that pathetic low-fi 16-bit scratch noise. I like the music in the game, but the sound effects just downright bother me with how limpwristed and shitty they are. This might be nit-picking, but fuck you, I hate it.

Basically I hate LttP because it's the same game as Zelda 1, only horribly shitty and boring. I can accept people liking it, but I don't know how the fuck anyone thinks it's the best Zelda. Not even close.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I don't think there is a single flaw in link to the past.

[Guitar Woman]

I do, it's that it sucks

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

sounds like its more of a user error.

[Zomboid]

Boom. LttP is a fucking masterpiece. Anyone who thinks there's nothing more to the dungeons and temples than floating tiles probably hasn't even played it for more than a few minutes--that, or they're some dickwad, hipster-wannabe contrarian who just has to chime in with logical arguments like "it sucks."

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by Zomboid

that, or they're some dickwad, hipster-wannabe contrarian who just has to chime in with logical arguments like "it sucks."

The internet is teeming with them

The thing is, and GW kind of touched on this in the whole "but I know none of you are going to read it" thing, nobody wants to hear your reasons why a game that 95% of the gaming world thinks is a masterpiece is in your opinion, a turd. When 95% of people think it is awesome, and you are in that little minority, you are simply wrong. I am sure we all have a game we dislike that 95% of the gaming world thinks we are wrong for disliking, and in those cases, they are right, but we soldier on and keep it to ourselves. There are a few important reasons for this.

1) Nobody really cares what we think
2) There is probably a logical reason we hate it that makes real sense, i.e. we never really had time to play it enough, a small insignificant flaw pissed us off, it raped us when we were 5, and so on
3) Why do we need to shit in 95% of the gaming populaces' cornflakes? Let them enjoy it and we can go on not enjoying it.

I can give a good example of one I used to hate that it seemed everyone else loved, and why I was wrong. The Guitar Hero series. I was one of those "you aren't playing a real guitar" assholes. I saw the negative stories of people who play it all day and never work. It was enough for me to say, 'everyone else is wrong, Guitar Hero sucks". I had never actually played it, and I felt by watching a couple videos of it I had all the experience I needed. Then I snagged a new copy with the guitar controller on the cheap and gave it a shot. I played it while my brother made fun of me and I laughed so hard at his jokes, my messups on songs, and I found myself actually having fun. Turns out I held an opinion that was misinformed and wrong

[Guitar Woman]

I've beaten it twice, actually. I already outlined my reasons for not liking it the last time we talked about this, and I just summarized them. I could go into explicit detail again but I know none of you are going to read it.

[Dr. Boogie]

Originally Posted by Guitar Woman

I've beaten it twice, actually. I already outlined my reasons for not liking it the last time we talked about this, and I just summarized them. I could go into explicit detail again but I know none of you are going to read it.

People keep getting on you about it because your reasons are dumb.

1. You don't like the sound effects.
2. There were a couple flying tile rooms that pissed you off.
3. It's just like the first game, but without the "ballsy gameplay".

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when that's the reasoning behind your hatin'?

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

I read everything you write gw. Ever infuriating word.

[Guitar Woman]

:D

[Guitar Woman]

When 95% of people think it is awesome, and you are in that little minority, you are simply wrong.

Subjective

You also have to remember that 95% of people are idiots

I had never actually played it, and I felt by watching a couple videos of it I had all the experience I needed.

Ok, but I formed this opinion after playing LttP multiple times. I didn't just decide to hate it out of the blue one day. The hate grew inside of me after I had time to digest the game, like the miracle of life.

[King Hadas]

Originally Posted by pentegarn

obody wants to hear your reasons why a game that 95% of the gaming world thinks is a masterpiece is in your opinion, a turd.

I don't know about that. If the majority says a game is good then a contrary voice will be more interesting then more of the same. That's the attraction of being contrarion. By the way I didn't really like lttp either, but I then I don't like any of the old Zeldas.

[Grislygus]

I'M reading what you're writing, GW, and everyone else is pretty much dissecting it.

Originally Posted by King Hadas

I don't know about that. If the majority says a game is good then a contrary voice will be more interesting then more of the same. That's the attraction of being contrarion. By the way I didn't really like lttp either, but I then I don't like any of the old Zeldas.

Here's something I understand. If you don't have fun playing the 2d zeldas, of course you're not going to like lttp.

I'm not going to argue in favor of it, but I'm loving this argument. Why are the puzzles in LttP inferior to zelda one and two...?

[WhiteRat]

Originally Posted by Grislygus

Why are the puzzles in LttP inferior to zelda one and two...?

or even a monochrome scaled down 8bit handheld version?

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by WhiteRat

or even a monochrome scaled down 8bit handheld version?

That would be consistent though WR, we can't have that.

Yes the most hilarious, and gossamer part of the whole "I hate Lttp" is the followup statement "but I love Links Awakening"

That is like saying I hate spaghetti with meat sauce, but I love linguini with meat sauce. Inconsistent and confusing at best.