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Old Mar 31st, 2003, 09:04 AM        Awww... those nice peaceful anti-war protestors
source: http://www.newsday.com/news/printedi...=ny-news-print

edit: Man, who was it in here that said that liberal professors are intelligent? Yes, sounds very intelligent. Sign me up for this school!

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Defeat Troops, Professor Says
Wants 'a million Mogadishus'
By Ron Howell
STAFF WRITER

March 28, 2003

At an anti-war "teach-in" this week, a Columbia University professor called for the defeat of American forces in Iraq and said he would like to see "a million Mogadishus" - a reference to the Somali city where American soldiers were ambushed, with 18 killed, in 1993.

"The only true heroes are those who find ways that help defeat the U.S. military," Nicholas De Genova, an assistant professor of anthropology and Latino studies at Columbia University, told the audience at Low Library Wednesday night. "I personally would like to see a million Mogadishus."

De Genova was referring to the Mogadishu ambush and firefight, known for its graphic image of a slain American soldier being dragged through the streets. The battle was portrayed in the film "Black Hawk Down."

The crowd was largely silent at De Genova's remark. They loudly applauded him later when he said, "If we really [believe] that this war is criminal ... then we have to believe in the victory of the Iraqi people and the defeat of the U.S. war machine."

At least two of the speakers who followed De Genova distanced themselves from his comments. One of them was teach-in organizer Eric Foner, a history professor, who disagreed with De Genova's assertion that Americans who called themselves "patriots" also were white supremacists.

In a telephone interview yesterday, Foner went further in his criticism, calling De Genova's statements "idiotic."

"I thought that was completely uncalled for," Foner said. "We do not desire the deaths of American soldiers."

Foner said that because of the university's tradition of freedom of speech, it was unlikely De Genova would suffer professionally in any way because of what he said.

"A person's politics have no impact on their employment status here, whether they are promoted, whether they are fired or whether they get tenure," Foner said.

De Genova did not want to discuss yesterday whether he had tenure. Acknowledging his beliefs are more radical than those of many others at Wednesday's forum, he said his remarks reflect his concern for oppressed people. While he did not retract his statements, he said he hoped they do not lead to "death threats," like those he received after a controversial speech at a pro-Palestinian rally last spring.

Regarding Wednesday's reference to Mogadishu, the professor, who is 35 and from Chicago, said the U.S. Army is composed largely of men and women who have a "treacherous lack of prospects for a decent life," but even so, they "have a choice" in whether to oppress people like the Iraqis. He said the Iraqis must liberate themselves from domestic oppressors as well as from foreign invaders like the United States.

More than 3,000 students and faculty attended the Wednesday teach-in, which lasted from 6 p.m. until about midnight and featured more than two dozen professors and other scholars.

The applause at De Genova's call for the defeat of U.S.-led forces in Iraq reflected widespread frustration at the inability to reverse President George W. Bush's Middle East policies, Foner said.

"A kind of flamboyant statement like that will get an applause in the heat of the moment," the history professor said.

By turns, the speakers Wednesday night said the Bush administration's actions in Iraq were bullying, illegal, deceitful, corrupt and murderous. History professor Barbara J. Fields said like-minded Americans should vigorously oppose Bush. "The 'good Germans' of the Nazi era were the few who said, 'No,'" Fields declared.
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Old Mar 31st, 2003, 10:38 AM       
He's insane.
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Old Mar 31st, 2003, 12:30 PM       
FatSatan's right on the money there. What did you expect us to do, Vince? Cheer him on? The guy is obviously a complete fuckup to say such horrible things.
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Old Mar 31st, 2003, 01:44 PM        Duh
You god damn hippie liberals don't get it do you? It's not about whether this guy or right is wrong. Clearly, because this guy is a nut job, and he's an anti war type, ALL anti war types must be insane morons. Obviously this article completely debunks the ENTIRE anti war movement.

I can't believe you guys don't get that.
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Old Mar 31st, 2003, 02:44 PM       
thanks ga i was confused

as i try to tell the folks in my town waving flags and shouting obcenities most of the anti-war group doesn't believe in censorship so they take some crazies into the fold.. it's quite a challenge :/
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Old Mar 31st, 2003, 05:00 PM       
I actually go to school a few blocks north of Columbia (at Powell's alma mater) and after word on this got out, the cause head, neo-hippies got real scarce.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 12:11 PM       
This guy is a good example of a liberal.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 12:17 PM       
No, this guy is a good example of a complete lunatic. Extremely short-sighted, unbalanced, twisted views on complex situations, driven by agenda more than logic..... Kind of like most of your opinions.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 02:25 PM       
Naldo, you're a good example of a nincompoop.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 09:45 PM        Good call Ronnie
A good example of a conservative....

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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 09:55 PM       
Casper votes Republican?
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a good example of a liberal...

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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 01:34 AM        Word up...
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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 03:10 AM       
a real american hating liberal...





this kind of thing is something i would expect of vince or ranxer, do you really want to get into this?
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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 08:34 AM       
Yeah, lets back off of all of this and just agree that RONNIE is a nincompoop.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 08:36 AM       
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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 02:13 PM       
Great work Italian, my cap is off to you. Wish I could have been here to join in the fun.
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