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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 11:29 AM        WHO'S UN-AMERICAN
Rumsfeld or Army commanders?



Rumsfeld's Design for War Criticized on the Battlefield

By BERNARD WEINRAUB with THOM SHANKER The New York Times

V CORPS HEADQUARTERS, near the Kuwait-Iraq border, March 31 Long-simmering tensions between Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Army commanders have erupted in a series of complaints from officers on the Iraqi battlefield that the Pentagon has not sent enough troops to wage the war as they want to fight it.

Is Rumsfeld unAmerican for crafting a strategy the Pentagon strongly disagrees with

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Are Battlefield Commanders unAmerican for airing their greivances publicly?

Did Rummy do more damage to the troops with his strategy

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Are battlefield Commanders giving succor and encouragement to the enemy by allowing themsleves to be interviewed by the press

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Since Iraqis watch CNN, why was Peter Arnett fired for saying on Iraqi TV what our own Commanders said to the New York Times?
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 11:32 AM       
Max Burbank is un-American because he doesn't believe in the first amendment.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 11:40 AM       
Ronnie is stupid becuase he can't read.

Or answer a direct question.

Or understand question.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 12:37 PM       
I was in the army but I won't pretend to know the tactics of an operation of this scope. I confess, though, that I am confused that, for a war wherein the objectives seem much hard and there is nowhere near, the pre-"ground movment" air strikes, that they are using less than half the troop strength than what they had used during the Gulf War.

While I can understand his frustration and don't doubt Frank's integrity or his sincere concerns that he and his men are successful and safely return home, I have to question the tactic of going on international television and "showing his cards", so to speak, to the Iraqi leadership. Is he appealing to the American people? Well, the opinion of the American people's opinion sure hasn't seemed to make an impact on government actions so far.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 12:54 PM       
Just so you know, a lot of the guys whining are retired commanders. And its just Army, no one from the other branches have voiced any descent.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 01:01 PM       
Consider also, though, that it's mostly army on the ground over there and that Franks is the head commander in the theater as far as the Army goes. I'm not saying that the other branches aren't in danger but ... come on ... there IS a difference.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 01:27 PM       
What did Gen Franks have to say about all this?
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 01:30 PM       
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What did Gen Franks have to say about all this?
I thought that's who he was talking about. Oops! I may have to recant here. :/
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 02:31 PM       
Actually, the times article was referring to field commanders engaged in the war in Iraq right now.
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Old Apr 1st, 2003, 07:45 PM       
There is no such thing as unAmerican Goddamnit!

Same with unpatriotic. It's like saying one is unterrorist, or unIraqi, or unFrench. IT'S BULLSHIT!

Sorry but I listen to a lot of media and it's on my nerves.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 06:13 AM       
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There is no such thing as unAmerican Goddamnit!

Same with unpatriotic. It's like saying one is unterrorist, or unIraqi, or unFrench. IT'S BULLSHIT!

Sorry but I listen to a lot of media and it's on my nerves.
That makes you unAmerican, or is it unpatriotic?
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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 08:37 AM       
Conversation cannot take place without context.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 03:36 PM       
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Conversation cannot take place without context.
That discounts more than half of what Ronnie says, then.
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Old Apr 2nd, 2003, 05:45 PM       
CONSPIRACY!
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