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Old Apr 16th, 2003, 11:52 AM        France threatening to expel Islamic "radicals"
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April 16, 2003
French Threaten Expulsions After Islam Radical Victory
By ELAINE SCIOLINO

PARIS, April 15 — France's interior minister threatened today to expel any Muslim religious leader considered extremist after a fundamentalist Muslim organization unexpectedly won a large number of seats in an election for the country's first national council of Muslims.

Nicolas Sarkozy, a law-and-order interior minister who pressed hard for the creation of the council, told Europe 1 radio that he would make sure that the council would not be used to spread views that run counter to French values, particularly the promotion of Islamic law.

"It is precisely because we recognize the right of Islam to sit at the table of the republic that we will not accept any deviation," Mr. Sarkozy said. "Any prayer leader whose views run contrary to the values of the republic will be expelled."

At another point he said, "Islamic law will not apply anywhere, because it is not the law of the French republic."

Representatives of nearly 1,000 mosques and prayer centers went to the polls on April 6 and last Sunday to elect representatives to a council that will represent the country's five million Muslims. The goal, Mr. Sarkozy said repeatedly, is to create an "official Islam for France" that will take France's second-largest religion out of the "cellars and garages" and demonstrate that most Muslims are mainstream, law-abiding citizens. About 20 percent of France's mosques declined to take part.

The group that made a surprisingly strong showing in the election is the Union of Islamic Organizations in France. It preaches a strict, conservative interpretation of Islam, derives much of its support from the poor suburbs of Paris and other major cities and is said to derive its inspiration from the banned fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood, which originated in Egypt. It won 14 of 41 seats in the governing administrative council.

The organization has come under fire from those who claim it has close links with the Muslim Brotherhood, which calls for Islamic rule via Islamic law, personal purification and political action, and cannot be officially recognized by a secular country like France.

"This is a hidden movement, skilled in double talk, that plays on the social frustrations of many young people," Addzidine Houassin, president of an Islamic group from the Paris suburb of Seine-Saint-Denis, was quoted as saying in today's editions of the newspaper Le Parisien. He added, "The wolves have entered the manger."

Mr. Houassin personally criticized Mr. Sarkozy, saying his acceptance of the group has "created an Islam that has no connection with the Islam of France."

The "moderate" Islamic organization represented by the Algerian-backed Paris Mosque and supported by Mr. Sarkozy was expected to dominate the elections but received only six seats in the council. A third group that is less fundamentalist than the Union of Islamic Organizations in France and close to the government of Morocco won 16 seats, more than expected.

Despite its weak showing, the rector of the Paris Mosque, Dalil Boubaker, will automatically become the head of the council under a compromise hammered out long before the elections by the three main Muslim groups, under pressure from Mr. Sarkozy.

"There is neither victor nor vanquished," said Khalil Merroun, rector of the mosque of Évry, who derives his support from the group allied to Morocco. "This is victory for Muslims."

Unlike Roman Catholicism, Protestantism and Judaism, Islam has no hierarchical structure in France, and the council will give it a forum by which it can directly communicate with the government. The other mainstream religions have long had similar councils.

But Paris's Catholic archbishop, Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger, expressed concern on Sunday night on radio and television that the council could nurture radicalism. He complained that the French government was making Islam a "state religion" because of government intrusion in the organization of the council.

Mr. Sarkozy said in an interview with Le Parisien published today that such concerns were exaggerated. He added that he was not worried about the support for the Union of Islamic Organizations in France and said, "I have nothing against them."

In the interview with Europe 1, he said the council would give the government "more latitude to fight against the few imams who breach the law in advocating violence or anti-Semitism." He added, "Those imams will be expelled."
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Old Apr 16th, 2003, 02:48 PM       
Those Frog bastards are just sucking up to the US 'cause they're afraid we'll shut down the Jerry Lewis Pipeline.
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Old Apr 16th, 2003, 03:14 PM       
Ah, Sheh-REE Loo-WEES. Still the biggest poker chip.

"Any Muslim religious leader considered extremist" that seems like kind of a vague definition. I mean, I'm not saying that imams preaching jihad against the white western devils shouldn't be reprimanded, but a rule so open to interpretation is apt to get abused for personal reasons.

I know, it was a quote and not a law, but still.
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Old Apr 16th, 2003, 04:59 PM       
France (and Germany, etc.etc.) has a fine tradition of xenophobia -- today's Muslims are yesterday's Jews.
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Old Apr 16th, 2003, 05:01 PM       
Sure, but you get yestersay's Jews for half price!
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Old Apr 16th, 2003, 05:09 PM       
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Old Apr 16th, 2003, 05:11 PM       
That depends on how agile the free midget is.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 08:09 AM       
France and to a lesser extent Britian have become over the past few years a haven for Muslims. This in an of itself is not a problem; the problem is the fact that there are many extremists that are included with this group, and that is the problem they are trying to focus on.
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Old Apr 18th, 2003, 04:34 PM       
I think Vince is in full agreement with the policies of the French government.

















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