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Old Apr 7th, 2006, 01:08 PM        Schadenfreude
Bush, GOP Approval Ratings Find New Lows

By RON FOURNIER, AP Political Writer 1 hour, 30 minutes ago

WASHINGTON -
President Bush's approval ratings hit a series of new lows in an AP-Ipsos poll that also shows Republicans surrendering their advantage on national security — grim election-year news for a party struggling to stay in power.


Democratic leaders predicted they will seize control of one or both chambers of Congress in November. Republicans said they feared the worst unless the political landscape quickly changes.

Just 36 percent of the public approves of Bush's job performance, his lowest-ever rating in AP-Ipsos polling. By contrast, the president's job approval rating was 47 percent among likely voters just before Election Day 2004 and a whopping 64 percent among registered voters in October 2002.

By comparison, Presidents
Bill Clinton and
Ronald Reagan had public approval in the mid 60s at this stage of their second terms in office, while Dwight Eisenhower was close to 60 percent, according to Gallup polls.
Richard Nixon, who was increasingly tangled up in the Watergate scandal, was in the high 20s in early 1974.

As bad as Bush's numbers may be, Congress' are worse.

Just 30 percent of the public approves of the GOP-led Congress' job performance, and Republicans seem to be shouldering the blame.

"These numbers are scary. We've lost every advantage we've ever had," GOP pollster Tony Fabrizio said. "The good news is Democrats don't have much of a plan. The bad news is they may not need one."

There is more at stake than the careers of GOP lawmakers. A Democratic-led Congress could bury the last vestiges of Bush's legislative agenda and subject the administration to high-profile investigations of the
Iraq war, the
CIA leak case, warrantless eavesdropping and other matters.

In the past two congressional elections, Republicans gained seats on the strength of Bush's popularity and a perception among voters that the GOP was stronger on national security than Democrats.

Those advantages are gone, according to a survey of 1,003 adults conducted this week for The Associated Press by Ipsos, an international polling firm.

• Only 40 percent of the public approves of Bush's performance on foreign policy and the war on terror, another low-water mark for his presidency. That's down 9 points from a year ago. Just before the 2002 election, 64 percent of registered voters backed Bush on terror and foreign policy.

• Just 35 percent of the public approves of Bush's handling of Iraq, his lowest in AP-Ipsos polling.

"He's in over his head," said Diane Heller, 65, a Pleasant Valley, N.Y., real estate broker and independent voter.

By a 49-33 margin, the public favors Democrats over Republicans when asked which party should control Congress.

That 16-point Democratic advantage is the largest the party has enjoyed in AP-Ipsos polling.

On an issue the GOP has dominated for decades, Republicans are now locked in a tie with Democrats — 41 percent each — on the question of which party people trust to protect the country. Democrats made their biggest national security gains among young men, according to the AP-Ipsos poll, which had a 3 percentage point margin of error.

The public gives Democrats a slight edge on what party would best handle Iraq, a reversal from Election Day 2004.

"We're in an exceptionally challenging electoral environment," said Rep. Tom Cole (news, bio, voting record) of Oklahoma, a former GOP strategist. "We start off on a battlefield today that is tilted in their direction, and that's when you have to use the advantages you have."

Those include the presidential "bully pulpit" and the "structural, tactical advantages" built into the system, Cole said.

One of those advantages is a political map that is gerrymandered to put House incumbents in relatively safe districts, meaning Democrats have relatively few opportunities to pick up the 15 seats they need to gain control.

In the Senate, the Democrats need to pick up six seats.

"I think we will win the Congress," Democratic Party chairman
Howard Dean said, breaking the unwritten rule against raising expectations.

"Everything is moving in our direction. If it keeps moving in our direction, it's very reasonable to say there will be a Democratic Senate and House," said Sen. Chuck Schumer of New York, the chairman of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee.

Strategists in both parties say it would take an extraordinary set of circumstances for Democrats to seize control of Congress.

First, the elections would need to be nationalized. Democrats hope to do that with a burgeoning ethics scandal focused on relationships between GOP lobbyists and lawmakers.

Secondly, the public would need to be in a throw-the-bums-out mood. It's unclear whether that is the case, but 69 percent of Americans believes the nation is headed in the wrong direction — the largest percentage during the Bush presidency and up 13 points from a year ago.

Third, staunch GOP voters would need to stay home. Nobody can predict whether that will happen, but a growing number of Republicans disagree with their leaders in Washington about immigration, federal spending and other issues.

Bush's approval rating is down 12 points among Republicans since a year ago. Six-in-10 Republicans said they disapproved of the GOP-led Congress.

"I'd just as soon they shut (Congress) down for a few years," said Robert Hirsch, 72, a Republican-leaning voter in Chicago. "All they do is keep passing laws and figuring out ways to spend our money."





AND YET, somehow I have a sick certainty in my gut that when Democrat bumbling and mush mouth, quivering uncertainty mixes with Republican balls about dirty electoral tricks (jamming phones lines, less voting stations in poor black areas, Diabold, etc.) we will wake up in Nov. and the Republican majority wll STIL be firmly in power.
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Old Apr 7th, 2006, 01:14 PM        Re: Schadenfreude
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"The good news is Democrats don't have much of a plan. The bad news is they may not need one."
The bad news is we're all just sitting here with our thumbs up our asses. The good news is, the only other guys around here who can get anything done are doing the same!

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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 01:37 AM       
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 07:09 PM       
So, you are taking joy in this, Max?

Is it because Bush won't win the next election?

Is it because niether party shows any direction or leadership for the visible future?

Are looking forward to another 2000-esque election fiasco?

I'm kind of stumped here. I could see some sort of childish giddiness at the thought of Bush getting some sort cummupance, but that isn't happening here.

You seem to be enjoying the idea the the country is shaping up to be a rudderless ship. Whats the pay off?
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 09:59 PM       
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So, you are taking joy in this, Max?

Is it because Bush won't win the next election?

Is it because niether party shows any direction or leadership for the visible future?

Are looking forward to another 2000-esque election fiasco?

I'm kind of stumped here. I could see some sort of childish giddiness at the thought of Bush getting some sort cummupance, but that isn't happening here.

You seem to be enjoying the idea the the country is shaping up to be a rudderless ship. Whats the pay off?
You won't get an answer anytime soon. He's much too busy making up a humorous quip to think about the conquenses.
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Old Apr 10th, 2006, 10:34 PM       
Honestly, I can say that I am taking joy in this as well. Not because the two major parties are both fuck-ups (because they are), but because it proves that the country is finally wisening up to the fact that the Republicans had a shitty leadership plan. It proves that this country isn't as totally full of idiots as it seemed on November 3rd 2004.
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Old Apr 11th, 2006, 12:50 PM       
Vinth, you are a nonentity. Those are the conquenses..

I almost always give El Blanco a straight answer, because while we iaagree about a loot of stuff, he isn't a boob. I'm too busy to give morons a straight answer, which is why you never get one from me and you never will, except for this paragraph.

Now. El Blanco.

I don't kow wether in the actual german "Schadenfraude" carries with it a conotation that it is a petty and hollow form of enjoyment, but I think in it's English usage it does. If I'm wrong, I apologize, because I always feel taking joy in the failures of people you don't like is hollow at best.

It can't be because Bush won't win the next election, Duh. Unless he decalres mrtial aw, which is not beyond possablity. I do take legitimate (I feel) pleasure in that the Bush inner circle will almost certainly not be in a position to play king makers this time around. I've got my fingers crossed.

"Is it because niether party shows any direction or leadership for the visible future?"

No. As many of my other posts have revealed, I currrently hate the Democrats almost as much as the Republicans.

"Are looking forward to another 2000-esque election fiasco? "

No. I am sincerely hoping that the Democrats will take the majority in at least one house. Not because I believe they have a leadership strategy, but because without D control of at least one house, there will be no investigations of the abuse of Presidential power. I invite you to disagree, I invite you to believe only stalemates and political grandstanding could come out of it, but that's whjat I sincerely hope for. Here's why. I believe if the crimes (and I think they are crimes) of this administration in the expansion of presidential power are allowed to clacify into precedent, it will be very, very, very bad for the country. It's my personal belief that we are in the midst of a serious constitutional crisis, and the best hope we have of a resolution that favors the rule of law is enough of a divided government that investigations can be lunched with subpeona power.

"childish giddiness at the thought of Bush getting some sort cummupance,"

See, now, that's what I think Schaendfruede is. Childish gidiness. Not a highly evolvd emotion, but not without it's simple pleasures. I think for a man like W. impressively low poll numbers are a punishment in and of themselves. I think it makes him confused and angry, kind of the way I imagine Pharoah. I feel very deeply about W. I feel he has dammaged wjhat I value about my country in ways no other President in my lifetime even dreamed of, and damaged them not in the almost shakesperean way Nixon did, but in a bumbling, simplistic, bull headed, privilidged selfish way, like a spoiled child breaking an expensive toy christmas afternoon. It's small minded to take pleasure in seeing his chicken come home to roost, but it's pointles to deny the feeling.

I also think if those roosting chickens land hard enough, for a while the pendulum may swing away from the embrace of ignorance and araogance W. embodies to me. That perhaps if his fall is dramatic enough (and it may yet be) that as a nation we will recall that what makes us a great country is not our willingness to make war and our advanrages on the battlefield, but our laws and our contitution. We don't need to throw them away to protect ourselves. And if we protect ourselves without protecting them, we as a people my go on, but America won't.

That part of it isn't Schadenfreude at all. It's hope.

Vinthy won't have read this, but I wanted you to know, El Blanco, tat I respcted your questions.
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Old Apr 12th, 2006, 09:10 PM       
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Vinth, you are a nonentity. Those are the conquenses..

I almost always give El Blanco a straight answer, because while we iaagree about a loot of stuff, he isn't a boob. I'm too busy to give morons a straight answer, which is why you never get one from me and you never will, except for this paragraph.

Now. El Blanco.

I don't kow wether in the actual german "Schadenfraude" carries with it a conotation that it is a petty and hollow form of enjoyment, but I think in it's English usage it does. If I'm wrong, I apologize, because I always feel taking joy in the failures of people you don't like is hollow at best.

It can't be because Bush won't win the next election, Duh. Unless he decalres mrtial aw, which is not beyond possablity. I do take legitimate (I feel) pleasure in that the Bush inner circle will almost certainly not be in a position to play king makers this time around. I've got my fingers crossed.

"Is it because niether party shows any direction or leadership for the visible future?"

No. As many of my other posts have revealed, I currrently hate the Democrats almost as much as the Republicans.

"Are looking forward to another 2000-esque election fiasco? "

No. I am sincerely hoping that the Democrats will take the majority in at least one house. Not because I believe they have a leadership strategy, but because without D control of at least one house, there will be no investigations of the abuse of Presidential power. I invite you to disagree, I invite you to believe only stalemates and political grandstanding could come out of it, but that's whjat I sincerely hope for. Here's why. I believe if the crimes (and I think they are crimes) of this administration in the expansion of presidential power are allowed to clacify into precedent, it will be very, very, very bad for the country. It's my personal belief that we are in the midst of a serious constitutional crisis, and the best hope we have of a resolution that favors the rule of law is enough of a divided government that investigations can be lunched with subpeona power.

"childish giddiness at the thought of Bush getting some sort cummupance,"

See, now, that's what I think Schaendfruede is. Childish gidiness. Not a highly evolvd emotion, but not without it's simple pleasures. I think for a man like W. impressively low poll numbers are a punishment in and of themselves. I think it makes him confused and angry, kind of the way I imagine Pharoah. I feel very deeply about W. I feel he has dammaged wjhat I value about my country in ways no other President in my lifetime even dreamed of, and damaged them not in the almost shakesperean way Nixon did, but in a bumbling, simplistic, bull headed, privilidged selfish way, like a spoiled child breaking an expensive toy christmas afternoon. It's small minded to take pleasure in seeing his chicken come home to roost, but it's pointles to deny the feeling.

I also think if those roosting chickens land hard enough, for a while the pendulum may swing away from the embrace of ignorance and araogance W. embodies to me. That perhaps if his fall is dramatic enough (and it may yet be) that as a nation we will recall that what makes us a great country is not our willingness to make war and our advanrages on the battlefield, but our laws and our contitution. We don't need to throw them away to protect ourselves. And if we protect ourselves without protecting them, we as a people my go on, but America won't.

That part of it isn't Schadenfreude at all. It's hope.

Vinthy won't have read this, but I wanted you to know, El Blanco, tat I respcted your questions.
Your keyboard should be nice and sticky after your long, boring mastubatory post, Maxwell.
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Old Apr 13th, 2006, 07:20 AM       
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Your keyboard should be nice and sticky after your long, boring mastubatory post, Maxwell.
Good point, and I think that's maybe why he makes so many typing errors. Look at his last line for example, tat I respcted your questions. His keyboard is so sticky that his podgy little fingers keep getting stuck on keys. It's totally disgusting.
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Old Apr 13th, 2006, 08:51 AM       
Better to be self-masturbatory than have somone else jerk you off over a forum, Pharaoh.

The fact that you said that Vince, of all the conservatives out there, had a point degrades any and all contributions you have ever put forth in these forums. Vince has a habit of NOT making a point, but rather he slings generic insults about jerking off, Max's comical fascination with him, and how women deserve to be confined to the kitchen. If you think THAT has a point in political debate, then as I said, you have no place in the real world.
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Old Apr 13th, 2006, 11:04 AM       
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Old May 12th, 2006, 03:02 PM       
Bush support rating falls to 29 percent: poll

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WASHINGTON (AFP) - Only 29 percent of Americans now believe
President George W. Bush is doing a good job, according recent poll.
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The poll, conducted by the Wall Street Journal, is the latest to indicate a slump in public support for the US leader as his Republican party heads into the campaign for mid-term elections in November.

In the poll, released in the newspaper's online edition, Bush has lost six percentage points in a month.

Iraq remains the main concern. Twenty-eight percent of Americans say it is one of the two most important topics, up from 23 percent in April, followed by immigration (16 percent) and the price of petrol (gasoline) (14 percent).

Only 24 percent of the 1,003 people asked between May 3-8 said they believed the United States was "heading in the right direction". According to the Journal, 69 percent said "things have pretty seriously gotten off on the wrong track".

Bush is closing in on the unpopularity level of President
Richard Nixon (24 percent) at the moment of his resignation in 1974 over the Watergate scandal.
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