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Old Feb 22nd, 2006, 09:51 PM        Anti-gay pseudoscience
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Nearly 600 evangelical Christians packed into the gymnasium of the Calvary Christian Academy in Forth Worth, Texas, to witness a ceremony on a Sunday in June. With a flourish of his pen, Texas Gov. Rick Perry signed the first bill while the televangelist at his side praised Jesus.
Gov. Perry shared the stage with celebrity Pentecostal faith healer Rob Parsley, whose television program is carried by 1,400 stations nationwide. In the audience were the leaders of two prominent family values action groups: Donald Wildmon, chairman of the American Family Association, and Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

The first document Perry signed that day was a parental notification law requiring girls under 18 to obtain parental permission before having an abortion. The second proposed that the state constitution be amended to specifically prohibit gays and lesbians from marrying. (Texas voters overwhelmingly approved the amendment this Nov. 8.)

Parsley heaped praise on Gov. Perry for "protecting the children of Texas from the gay agenda." Then he rattled off a series of shocking statistics: "Gay sex is a veritable breeding ground for disease," he said. "Only 1% of the homosexual population in America will die of old age. The average life expectancy for a homosexual in the United States of America is 43 years of age. A lesbian can only expect to live to be 45 years of age. Homosexuals represent 2% of the population, yet today they're carrying 60% of the known cases of syphilis."

The televangelist did not reveal where he got those numbers. He stated them starkly as facts to be accepted on blind faith. But they are not facts. They are gross distortions lifted straight from the pages of pseudo-scientific studies by Dr. Paul Cameron, a crackpot psychologist and champion of the anti-gay crusade.
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Not one of Cameron's anti-gay studies has been published in a respected scientific journal with rigorous content review standards. Instead, Cameron props up his façade of credibility by publishing his studies in Psychological Reports, a Montana-based vanity magazine that advertises itself as "The Scientific Manifestation of Free Speech" and will publish practically anything for $27.50 per page.

Unlike a serious academic journal, Psychological Reports does not employ a peer review panel of scientists to guard against flawed studies. But its title looks good in footnotes, and Cameron has been publishing his work in the magazine since 1972, long before he joined the anti-gay crusade. His first study in Psychological Reports concerned the relationship between pet and non-pet owners and animals. Cameron concluded that pet owners are far more likely to be kind to animals than non-pet owners.
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Cameron moved his base of operations to Colorado five years later, in 1992, after supporters of a state constitutional amendment to ban civil rights protections for gays and lesbians distributed 100,000 copies of his study 'What Homosexuals Do" (sample statistic: 17% eat human feces) to Colorado voters one week before they went to the polls. The amendment passed. Later that year, during the raging debate over President Clinton's proposal to allow gays in the military, Army officials circulated Cameron's studies inside the Pentagon.
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A 550-item questionnaire designed by Cameron was at the heart of the ISIS study. The questions were oddly constructed and deeply personal: "With how many homosexual virgins have you had homosexual relations?" and "How would you feel about sharing toilet facilities with a homosexual?" (Multiple-choice answers to the latter question included, "Very positive. I'd enjoy it greatly.") Another question asked respondents why they thought they had developed their sexual orientation and gave a checklist of 44 reasons including "I was seduced by a homosexual adult" and "I failed at heterosexuality." According to contemporary newspaper articles, residents in several neighborhoods targeted by Cameron's field teams called the police to report that perverts in the area were asking sleazy questions.

Legitimate scientists have identified and described in detail multiple fundamental flaws in the ISIS study's methodology and statistical analysis, any one of which would be enough to destroy its credibility. But still, to this day, Cameron's 1983 survey serves as the religious right's primary wellspring of anti-gay fear mongering.

"Whenever frightening claims about homosexual sex habits or child molestation are reported in pamphlets, videotapes or other materials, chances are the information has been taken from this single study," writes David Williams, director of the Kentucky Gay and Lesbian Library and Archives, who tracks the use of Cameron's statistics. "As propaganda, it has taken on a life of its own. As information, however, it's stunningly useless."

The same year Cameron conducted the ISIS survey, he released a separate study claiming that homosexuals are "10-20 times more likely than heterosexuals to molest children," a startling figure that still frequently pops up in hard-right religious sermons and AM radio screeds.

Cameron based that finding on a 1978 study by Nicholas Groth, the highly respected director of the Sex Offender Program at the Connecticut Department of Corrections. Groth had interviewed 175 convicted child molesters and found that more of them had molested boys than girls. Cameron's statistic is derived from the false assumption that men who molest boys are gay, despite the fact that Groth's original study found that none of the men identified himself as homosexual. Instead, the pedophiles were either heterosexual outside of their criminal behavior or were what Groth termed "fixated pedophiles with no interest in sex with adults."

Groth was outraged and filed a formal complaint with the American Psychological Association that led to Cameron losing his professional accreditation. "Dr. Cameron misrepresents my findings and distorts them to advance his homophobic views," Groth wrote the APA. "He disgraces his profession."
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Old Feb 22nd, 2006, 10:25 PM       
You fail at heterosexuality!
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 09:32 PM       
This angers me. I don't know how to properly respond. I fear the facts are mearly insignificant details which only get in the way of our personal agenda. Reason is only a tool of the devil. People who follow it blindly otherwise they don't love god. I am amazed even though I should be desensitized from this commonly happening.
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 09:36 PM       
let me guess...





you're gay?
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 09:37 PM       
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 09:44 PM       
Hon, you're right on target.
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 09:46 PM       
alright, just wanting to make sure. I mean, it wasn't very clear there for a while. your name could really go either way.
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 09:47 PM       
I mean, here I was thinking it was supposed to be like hom operfect. I thought you were just being crazy!
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 09:52 PM       
Right, It was unclear, I could have ben a really akward ackronym. I thought the HOMO tipped me off!
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 09:56 PM       
no, I think you need to be gayer. people will be confused!
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Old Feb 25th, 2006, 11:44 PM       
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 04:13 AM       
The way that the PC brigade attains power is by making opposing beliefs immoral, and thus not publishing studies done by scientists with results that do not match their own.

They have a monopoly on the truth after a while, because they are the only ones allowed to report it.
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 04:47 AM       
If you had received a slightly more intensive education in scientific history, you would know that unorthodox views are rarely accepted by the scientific community at large, Mister Verville. For a recent example, it wasn't until nearly the end of the 20th century that the theory of plate tectonics was accepted by a majority of US geologists, despite it being first demonstrated in the 18th... Or maybe not, as Wikipedia is annoyingly different in it's recording of this. Either way, scientists dislike being told they are wrong in their beliefs, almost as much as clergy and has little to do with some supposed 'PC Brigade'. Although, it should be accepted that the majority of activists, of both sides, misuse data to suit thier purposes.
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 09:34 AM       
You actually are speaking relatively rationally, publover.
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 10:20 AM       
It's the art of altering facts to support your own agenda. By cutting out all uncertanty words such as "may", "perhaps", "might" and so forth as well as rounding numbers and using power words that appeal to ones emotions you bypass the need for real facts. the targeted group has no desire to look up the facts and search out the truth because their emotions have been tageted affectively. Science does look down on these facticians. They have no known certianty of the work that was done nor have the conducted a none biased study to gather such information. the facticians approach is nothing more than a sequence of convincing fallicies that appeal to emotions more than to logic.
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 12:51 PM       
Religion is nothing but irrational ignorance. It's depressing that we haven't yet moved beyond superstition into reason by this century.
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The way that the PC brigade attains power is by making opposing beliefs immoral, and thus not publishing studies done by scientists with results that do not match their own.

They have a monopoly on the truth after a while, because they are the only ones allowed to report it.
Except for the part where the tragically unpublished studies aren't fit for fuckin mad magazine...

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In 1997, former Secretary of Education, Book of Virtues author and gambling enthusiast William Bennett cited Cameron's obituary study in a Weekly Standard column titled, "Clinton, Gays, and the Truth." Later that year on the ABC news program "This Week," Bennett said, "The best available research suggests that the average life span of male homosexuals is around 43 years of age. Forty three."

After Bennett took Cameron's life expectancy figure for gays to a mainstream audience, the online magazine Slate published a devastating critique of Cameron's work by Walter Olson, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute. The average age at death for AIDS victims, the magazine noted, was about 40. For Cameron's figure of 43 years old to be true, Slate pointed out, gay people who never contract AIDS could have a life expectancy of no more than 46 years -- a truly absurd proposition -- even assuming that half the gay population will eventually contract AIDS.

"Looked at another way," Slate reported, "if even half the gay male population stays HIV-negative and lives to an average age of 75, an average overall life span of 43 implies that gay males with AIDS die at an implausibly early age (11, actually)."
...and the researcher's work shows up in the mouths of folks linked to the republican political machine and mainstream religious clergy you'd be totally right!

I haven't read a single thing that indicates that this guy is anything but a handsomely paid political truth-maker. Shit, he's so widely cited he doesn't even have to publish in respected journals for his shit to be heard by millions of Americans. Fuck no he's no underdog. In fact he's probably on par with the shittiest intolerant left wing academics. Why the fuck should I have to choose between supporting a braindead trustafarian with a che t shirt and a suit and tie paid liar?
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 05:34 PM       
I wouldn't go as far as to say Religion is irational ignorance. I have found that many folks seek answers and feel uncomfortable when gaps are left unfilled. The answers must be clear cut and have no grey areas. This is where I have my problems with religion. It becomes more cult like rather than spiritual. I believe whole heartedly in Logic, reason, and the art of thinking rationally in general. Yet, I believe in religion but not as a controling institution. I think religion serves the nessisary elements for a community to function. chuck the theology out the window, it's not like anyone really listens or cares, and you get a community gathering of coffee and donuts every sunday. It's the ideal place to find a lead to jobs, cheap real estate, recreational activities and much more. Luckily there are churches out there that do care about the facts and are accepting of all. I await the day I, as a homosexual, will be able to marry within my church. This is a very real dream considering my church has been pushing for the issue for several years now and has almost approved it. Some churhces will be acknowledging gay marriage before the state will.
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 06:54 PM       
At least 90% of all wars are started by heterosexual males. Nearly all female rapes are caused by them, too! JIHAD.

I need to get $30 so I too can be controversial :<

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Another question asked respondents why they thought they had developed their sexual orientation and gave a checklist of 44 reasons including "I was seduced by a homosexual adult" and "I failed at heterosexuality.
This part made me lol :< GAY MEN ARE LIKE VAMPIRES, OR ZOMBIES. OR THEY'RE JUST QUITTERS.

It really is a shame that America is so deeply retarded, otherwise I could think this is hilarious instead of just embarrassing ;<
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Old Feb 26th, 2006, 07:07 PM       
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It's the art of altering facts to support your own agenda. By cutting out all uncertanty words such as "may", "perhaps", "might" and so forth as well as rounding numbers and using power words that appeal to ones emotions you bypass the need for real facts. the targeted group has no desire to look up the facts and search out the truth because their emotions have been tageted affectively. Science does look down on these facticians. They have no known certianty of the work that was done nor have the conducted a none biased study to gather such information. the facticians approach is nothing more than a sequence of convincing fallicies that appeal to emotions more than to logic.
This can easily be applied to both sides.
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Religion is nothing but irrational ignorance. It's depressing that we haven't yet moved beyond superstition into reason by this century.
How is religion irrational? It has been a driving force behind philosophy and reason for centuries, from Muslim thinkers like Averroes to countless Christian philosophers who exploredo the depths of rational and reason.

Reason itself was in many ways pioneered by the religious, whether it is Christian or Pagan (Socrates believed that certainly there was a God, based on an intelligent design theory).

Whatever you personally think about religion is irrelevent.

Stop being an arrogant twit.
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It's the art of altering facts to support your own agenda. By cutting out all uncertanty words such as "may", "perhaps", "might" and so forth as well as rounding numbers and using power words that appeal to ones emotions you bypass the need for real facts. the targeted group has no desire to look up the facts and search out the truth because their emotions have been tageted affectively. Science does look down on these facticians. They have no known certianty of the work that was done nor have the conducted a none biased study to gather such information. the facticians approach is nothing more than a sequence of convincing fallicies that appeal to emotions more than to logic.
This can easily be applied to both sides.
It can indeed. Although I do think it is fair to say some use it more effectively than others.
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"How is religion irrational? It has been a driving force behind philosophy and reason for centuries, from Muslim thinkers like Averroes to countless Christian philosophers who exploredo the depths of rational and reason.

Reason itself was in many ways pioneered by the religious, whether it is Christian or Pagan (Socrates believed that certainly there was a God, based on an intelligent design theory). "

If you would just think for a second, you would realize that they stopped reasoning. Religion was a way to rationalize the world for people centuries ago because they could only rely on superstition and uneducated guesses. Fortunately, we now have science to base our reasoning on and can make educated guesses based on evidence. What Socrates believed or the usefulness of religion to primative people is pointless. Certainly religion could be seen then as a way to rationalize a complex world (like, a God pulling the Sun on a huge chariot or something equally hilarious), but we don't need ignorant guessing when we can develop evidence through scientific methods. That's not saying that science is always right, but the beauty of it is it will admit its wrong unlike religion which is always right.
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