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Old Oct 16th, 2007, 06:42 PM       
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I'm sure giving a robot answer to a kid in a wheelchair would've come across really well.
Probaly better than walking away from the kid in a wheelchair who is still talking.
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Old Oct 16th, 2007, 08:34 PM       
Again...what could he have possibly said to that kid that would've satisfied him? Believe me, he gave that kid a LOT more attention than 99% of America would get from that guy. Kids dying from cancer in a hospital somewhere won't get face time like that from a presidential candidate.

And anyone who says he "he could've renounced his position on pot" is clueless. He isn't going to do that because he gets cornered by one person. That isn'tthe smartest way to create policy, btw.

Gee, this one kid sure feels shitty. Let's pass a law or something.
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Old Oct 16th, 2007, 09:51 PM       
I said that it would've been nice, not that he should've.

And I think the point is that even though it was a trap, blatant or not, it doesn't make the point any less valid. That wheelchair kid is indicative of a substantial number of people who could benefit from medical marijuana, but won't, because he "doesn't support it..." And for what? He could've at least explained why. I admit I haven't since watched the video, but if I remember he just said "I don't support that."
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Old Oct 16th, 2007, 11:30 PM       
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Maybe I don't know the meaning of prank but how was that an obvious prank?
I don't know, something about how there was a guy there ready to go "SIR, AREN'T you going to ANSWER his QUESTION???" in this practiced incredulous voice?

Fuck people who exploit their handicaps for sympathy and to push their political agendas. I think Romney showed an incredible amount of restraint by not dumping the kid out of the chair for wasting his time.

I'm pretty far left ideologically, but the figureheads and methods of all parties involved are corrupt and ridiculous. Take the taser boy for example - As I understand it, back in the days before we were born, people actually were the victims of real crimes and didn't have to fabricate them to push a point.
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Old Oct 16th, 2007, 11:54 PM       
I do agree that it does seem like it was staged, but I can't say it's exploiting his handicap to push a political agenda necessarily. If he was going around saying that Republicans denied him government-sponsored health care and that's why he's in the wheelchair, then, yeah, that's exploiting a handicap, but this guy's intent, in spite of the way he went about it, was to try to get support for his form of treatment. I don't see how that's significantly different from St. Jude's using their handicapped/sick children to get money to treat them.

Edit: I'm not sure in what sense it's a "trap," either; it should only have been a trap if there were no way he could've come out of it with his integrity intact. He should've been able to answer that question with "I don't support it for reasons x, y, and z," not "I don't support it" and walk away. Shit, even if he said "I don't support medical marijuana because marijuana is illegal" it would've been a more satisfying answer. If he's confronted with that kind of situation and doesn't have the integrity to give a yes or no answer, then fuck him. Forget the method.

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Old Oct 17th, 2007, 01:29 AM       
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Fuck people who exploit their handicaps for sympathy and to push their political agendas.
That's right! Hear Hear!! FUCK Michael J Fox!!! Christopher Reeves too!!!! (God rest their souls)

...and Emu, if you are seriously thinking about voting Republican, you really need to understand what exactly that means. Republicans are socially conservative. That means that they believe there are lines in life nobody should be allowed to cross regardless of nebulous concepts like freedom and liberty. Nothing at all good can ever come from smoking pot, in their mind, that could possibly make up for all the danger associated with people being allowed to smoke pot.

I am sure you are very conservative when it comes to extreme stuff such as having sex with children. I'm sure you probably believe it's best to just go ahead and outlaw that altogether even if by doing so we risk denying true love to some hypothetical couple that, through some twist of fate, just happen to be 45 years apart in age (and one of them is 4.)

If you were running for President, and some old wrinkled up pervo with a NAMBLA button came up and told you that the only way he'd ever be emotionally healthy in life is if you'd allow him to plow the field with some pre-schooler, would you really be all that concerned with his feelings when you told him to piss off? Same same, basically.

What you are looking for is a truly Liberal Party, and that does not currently exist in this country.

Sorry.

If you want to vote Republican, rock and roll, boy scout. More power to ya. I may too. I may also decide to skip it altogether, or maybe write in Max... If I vote for the R-candidate, it will be a vote in support of the WOT and nothing more. I can suffer through the muted theocratic leanings of the right better than I could ever possibly stomach the purely socialistic schemes of the Democrats for the next 4 years.

As far as I can see, being a dyed in the wool capitalist and all, the only thing that could ever have any hope of fixing this country is good ol competition, and that means empowering other countries. That will require globalization, and that's what this war is all about.
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Old Oct 17th, 2007, 08:47 AM       
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Old Oct 17th, 2007, 07:45 PM       
If you could call it that, after Teen Wolf and all.
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Old Oct 17th, 2007, 08:18 PM       
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If you were running for President, and some old wrinkled up pervo with a NAMBLA button came up and told you that the only way he'd ever be emotionally healthy in life is if you'd allow him to plow the field with some pre-schooler, would you really be all that concerned with his feelings when you told him to piss off? Same same, basically.
How is a kid in a wheelchair who smokes pot to gain weight being equated to a pedophile? The kid in a wheelchair didn't say "Pot makes me giggle and emotionall happy while I watch spongebob while fingering a 5 year old." I would also assume we all agree that pot has more benefits than say fucking small kids.
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Old Oct 17th, 2007, 08:24 PM       
There is a pretty stark difference between denying someone sex with a child and allowing someone to smoke marijuana, because with the pedophile there are two parties involved (the perv and the kid) while with the marijuana there's only one (the patient.) Pedophiles violate the law by exercising invasive behavior against someone who doesn't have legal autonomy, a child, which is, if I'm not mistaken, prohibited by the constitution. Meanwhile, arresting a guy for medicating with a relatively low-key drug (and at the same time giving speed to kids in the form of Ritalin, lol) violates his pursuit of happiness.
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Old Oct 17th, 2007, 08:43 PM       
It's a trap because there's no way he's gonna sit there and discuss all that shit with a kid when there're dozens of other people he needs to talk to. He needs to give a quick and concise answer, and he moved on after he figured out the kid was wasting his time.

I don't love the guy and I'm not gonna vote for him. I'm just saying that anyone who watches that and goes HOW---HOW DARE HE?!?!? are total toolboxes. Craftsmen.
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Old Oct 18th, 2007, 09:53 AM       
I did not try to equate smoking pot with diddling toddlers. I understand you guys have passionate feelings about the mary jane, but you aren't making the best case for your cause here... A pre-bong perusal of my earlier comment should make it clear that what I WAS saying is that his conservative feelings about legalizing pot are similar to your (allegedly) conservative feelings regarding porking preschoolers. Got it?

Mitt Romney, as a conservative Republican, is no more likely to seriously discuss the legalization of weed than either one of you, as average potheads, would seriously consider opening up the nursery schools to child molesters. I completely understand the differences between the two things. I am not comparing them. I am comparing Romney's feelings toward one thing to your (assumed) feelings toward the other thing. Did you catch that?

He thinks like a Republican. Regardless of any argument you might make... even a really, really good one that you came up with when you weren't high... Republicans are never gonna accept any logic that leads to marijuana legalization. To them, that's just too risky with almost no possible benefit to anybody. Only bad things will come from it. I don't agree... I am just explaining it to you because you were basically saying you would like Mitt better if he would do something he would never, ever do.

I would vote for Hillary if she completely changed everything about the way she is and thinks and started asking me what we should do to fix this country. *tokes*
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Old Oct 18th, 2007, 10:01 AM       
Oh no, I know you weren't equating them, but my point is that there is constitutional basis for banning pedophilic behavior (because it violates the autonomy of the child) while there's really none for banning medical marijuana, and plenty against it (it's like banning vicodin or any other strong prescription med.) Romney could've easily said "I don't support lowering the age of consent" and walked away and there would be no argument, not because there's a consensus on the grossness of it but because there's a moral precedent on which that position can be based. Which isn't the case with medical marijuana. It has the potential to help a lot of people and harm very few (how often do people die of marijuana OD? How many car crashes, say, are associated with self-medicating cancer patients who are DUI?)

My point is that I don't see it as a "trap." Romney could've said any number of things, and I don't think he said anything that's flat out wrong on its face, but more a neutral statement, and I don't think that's the kind of quality a president should have when faced with a difficult issue, even for something so fleeting as that.

FYI, I've never smoked marijuana in my life. I've never even smelled it. :[
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Old Oct 18th, 2007, 11:07 AM       
He can't stop and deal with everyone. Just because the guy asking the question was dealt a bad hand in life doesn't mean he gets more attention from a presidential candidate than anyone else. Romney's position on pot wasn't the issue. That simply wasn't the time or place to discuss it.

Do you really want a president that lets emotion dictate his actions and policy?
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Old Oct 19th, 2007, 05:56 PM       
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Do you really want a president that lets emotion dictate his actions and policy?
Might be better than having special interest groups dictate his actions and policy. Emu don't you know that only pot smokers support medical marijuana? And di anyone express total outrage that he walked away? I simply see people expressing their opinions that it seemed like a convenient way to avoid discussion on an issue. Blanco when is the right time to ask him about his policies and what he would do? At those shitty televised debates? I think when you got a presidential candidate right in front of you among a relativly small crowd might be a good time and probaly your only chance to ask a candidate a direct question.



"Just because the guy asking the question was dealt a bad hand in life doesn't mean he gets more attention from a presidential candidate than anyone else." God forbid he spend 1 minute talking to a kid in a wheelchair. We all know the only people that get more attention from presidential candidates is the rich and the famous.


And btw, when I met Ruddy and asked him about his position on non violent drug offenders, mainly marijuana users sitting in jails, he gave me a much better answer and alot more attention that Romney showed that wheelchair guy and when I met Ruddy he was being fucking swarmed by loud ass new yorkers. Ruddy wasn't scared of my 'trap' and it would of been easy for him to say "I'm agaisnt the legalization of marijuana or drugs in general' and just walked off especially since im not in a wheelchair and was wearing a Towelie shirt at the time.
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Old Oct 19th, 2007, 06:22 PM       
So, you want the sound bite that sounds good to you? Doesn't matter whether he's just blowing smoke up your ass or not?
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Old Oct 19th, 2007, 06:36 PM       
No I want a sound bite that makes it sound like he atleast thought about the fucking issue and isn't just some pre programmned robot. And Ruddy didn't give me the response I wanted but he gave me the time of day to answer my question and the point I'm making is he was surrounded by alot more loud people than Romney was in that video, plus I was clearly some unimportant kid wearing a towelie shirt.

Ruddy wasn't blowing smoke up my ass when he told me he was agaisnt the legalization of mary jane and drugs in general but atleast he explained the reasons why. He didn't just act like a robot who never had the issue enter his brain before.



And all these politicans do is blow smoke up people's ass (pictures of them kissing babies and chopping down trees with lumberjacks?) So maybe it would be nice if Romney showed as much interest in people who could benefit from medical marijuana than say the steel workers of America when he swings the hammer once to show he's one of the guys. The deal is he isn't going to win anyways. We have a shitty politcail system that morons feed into when you honestly think voting for a democrat will change the course the republicans have set us on.
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Old Oct 19th, 2007, 06:56 PM       
The wheelchair kid also stated he wasn't for the legalziation of mj for everyone yet he was basically ignored on the medical issue by romney yet when I asked ruddy bout basically legalizing mj for everyone I got much more attention and an answer that sounded like it had some substance behind it.
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