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Originally Posted by GAsux
Regardless, here's what I'm saying with regards to the bin Laden family. The familes activities, connections, etc are well documented. They've been traced, followed, etc for the better half of the 90s. When the CIA created is "bin Laden" team, they basically obsessed themselves with everything Usama.
The reason I beleive it's NOT a valid argument is because I believe that bin Laden's family connections had already been exhaustively studied, with the conclusion being they had virtually no ties, almost no communication (there was indications that he contact mom a few times) and no control or persuasion over anything he did.
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I'm fairly certain that if you took a poll of Americans, and askedthem the number one failure that may have led to 9/11, more people would point to CIA intelligence failures than to the Bush/Bin Laden links. You say that the Saudi/Bin Laden point had already been harped upon, when it reality it's only
post 9/11, and more specifically post 9/11 panel hearings, that those matters have taken on a wider debate within the general public. Yes, intellectuals and ex-CIA operatives have been writing books for years. But those people are always writing books and are always expressing opinions on how the world does or should function. In contrast, a small cottage industry has appeared to pop up in regards to intelligence failures, more books have been written, and it has become "common knowledge" that our intelligence is supposedly poor.
Moore was presenting, from his partisan perspective, a more nefarious argument that implcates the President more so, and strips him of that deniability. I think you're wrong when you argue that the Bush/Saudi link has been exhausted. Perhaps amongst a select few, but the debate is just now taking it's place in the spot light, and rightfully so, IMO.
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It wasnt as if bin Ladens family was living here in the U.S. and all around the world for years while we were targeting him as a chief backer of terrorism without pursuing that avenue. It was already done and over at that point and there was no reason to believe that they had any worthwhile information in the first place.
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So why not let more people fly? As Moore himself points out, why ground harmless Ricky Martin? The comparisons to O.J., and McVeigh's mom, and whoever, just don't apply to this scenario. Once again, IMO, "exhausted outlets" could endure just a bit more "exhausting" when 3,000 Americans die.
And who says they had no worthwile information? You don't even question them? Fine, granted, let's say they were exhausted resources. Why do they get special exceptions? Why does this government scoop them up around the country? And please, don't give me the American backlash argument. They could've been protected in that case.
I'll say it again-- it's a day or two after arguably the worst attack on American soil ever, and you're going to tell me that we can go ahead and give them the green light to leave as a special exception, because the resource had been "exhausted" already.....?