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An essay hardly makes you a authority on his life and deeds. Spending a week writing a ten page report, an another hour years later casting about online does not make you a legitimate source of information.
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I never claimed to be an "authority" but I know enough to form an opinion.
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Stating facts in perspective of the reality from which they were born is not sugarcoating. In regards to self interest, everyone acts out of consideration to themselves; Even adhering to one's own philosophy of altruism can be viewed as an act of self-interest.
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Getting back to the original point, he did NOT do these thing in the interest of altruism, which was you said. Strike one.
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Yes, I'm sure Hoover and Roosevelt had enough funds to save Ford Industry's if they went under. After all, after the Public Works Program and the debt of World War 1, the lack of European reparations and the inability of citizens domestically to pay their taxes in full, our national treasury had TONS of liquidatable funds. The aide which he recieved barely salvaged his corporation, had he done anything differently, even the government could not have kept his business afloat.
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The ends justify the means, right? I could give a damn whether he suceeded or not. There was plenty of competition and resources to take up the slack. I think the U.S. would have survived.
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Tell that to the citizens slain at the Haymarket revolt. I'm sure they fully appreciated the mitilia and police handling things. Considering that was still a pronounced fear, and only a couple decades past, I think Ford's scabs saved a few lives in truth.
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Let's sensationalize a few isolated incidents to make our point, shall we. I'm talking in general, that's the job of the government. In taking things in your own hands like that, you're no better than gangsters and illegal militia. That's the reason we have agencies like the ATF. A real union man, huh? If you heard horror stories like the ones I heard growing up, you'd never question the quality of living that the union's have provided ... in spite of those who tried to defy them.
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Nice clean up. Why not mention them both? Are your sausage-like finger incapable of typing for extended periods of time? Did your X-Box call your attentions from the other room?
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I forget to mention something and I'm a nimrod. Classic
Oh yeah ... nice getting insulting when an argument doesn't go your way. Are you taking "Vince Lessons"?
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Bigotry I can tolerate, everyone is entitle to their own opinion. He was not, however, a racist. There is a fine line between the two. He, like Teddy Roosevelt before him, viewed other races along an evolutionary line of ascendancy. Are you in favour of censor for those whom disagree with you? I wonder then what Freedom really means to you. . .No, actually I don't. You've made your attitude quite clear in the past.
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Yes, there is a difference and he crossed the line into racism. He called the Jewish people monkeys and less than human, for Pete's sake! That is hurtful, especially coming from a man with the power and influence he had. That's not racist?!
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No you don't. Your statement is as sincere as it truthful.
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You're right. You got me. :sheepishgrin
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Your link is meaningless. Pick up a copy of "Autobiography of Values" by Charles Lindbergh. Most of it is relatively worthless, a hallow attempt at self aggrandizement by a once emminant man whom the world forgot, but on historical notation, it does hold some value.
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That's not necessary. I know what I know. The site is one of many sources I could have used. Ford was simply NOT the major player in aeronautical engineering you make him out to be. Your attempt to foster nationalism to bolster your argument was rather pathetic.
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You attempt to paint Ford as some sort of villain because he held views, which were not abnormal for the period, that we now question and managed to make himself wealthy is trvial and smallminded.
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Just because views are popular for the period does not make them any more right. Your attempt to make my view seem like an anachronism of the times seems more like you trying to reflect your personal views into history. There were plenty of people back then who found anti-semitism appauling.
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'If wealthy man abused their good fortune, or the needy sought to penalize them, both groups would be buried in the crash of common disaster.'
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Neitzche? Oh boy!
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Ford can hardly have been said to have abused his station or wealth.
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Hiring thugs and scabs ... which you have already conceded that he did ... IS an abuse of power. Period.
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You, like no many other mindless peons, work tirelessly to destory the rich because you are not one of them. Your jealousy is as transparent and impotent as your supposed intellect.
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I could care less about most wealthy people. In general, they don't affect me. I'm merely stating my opionion of ONE man. That's all. Besides, society has a way of regulating itself. If enough people don't agree with those in power who abuse their power, things change. It may take some time, but they do. Consider the fact of Ford's descendant's giving generously to numerous Jewish organizations ... guilt money or appeasement? You make the call.
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He's responsible for more than that, but really, go back to your Big Mac and and Empty V, I'll not bother you with the facts any longer. If you'd had an interest, you would have investigated them long before now.
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Ambiguous allusions to illusionary facts? I expected better from you. You really are taking on Vince-like qualities. Like I said, I know what I know and I need no more research.
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I'm not your teacher.
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I would have asked for my tuition back.