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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:13 AM        Military Service doesn't always = guts, respect or brains
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edit: Well, well, well. He didn't know that going into the military might mean he would have to go to war and kill our enemies? He is from San Francisco, so it makes sense. We have brave women who fight to the death and this pussy has to hold his mommy's hand to go to a press conference?!? I wish I could have his spot. What a discrace. I don't mind if the guy is a C.O., but don't act like you didn't know that the marines KILL PEOPLE and BLOW THINGS UP! I guess he should have just stood on the ground that he wanted to join just to be an Engineer, huh Max?



Soldier Says He's Conscientious Objector


By KIM CURTIS
The Associated Press
Tuesday, April 1, 2003; 9:25 PM


With his sister carrying his duffel bag and his mother holding his hand, a 20-year-old Marine reservist surrendered to the military Tuesday and declared himself a conscientious objector.

Wearing camouflage fatigues, Lance Cpl. Stephen Funk turned himself in at the locked gates of the Marine Corps reserve center where he was assigned, weeks after refusing to report when called up to active duty.

"Ultimately, it's my fault for joining in the first place," said Funk, who didn't show up when his unit was deployed to Camp Pendleton. "It wasn't as well thought out as it should've been. It was about me being depressed and wanting direction in life."

Funk said he's attended every major San Francisco Bay area anti-war rally since finishing his military training last fall. He insisted his decision had nothing to do with the war in Iraq.

Those applying for a conscientious discharge must submit a detailed letter explaining how their feelings have changed since joining the military. Then there are interviews with a military chaplain, a psychiatrist and an investigating officer. The final decision is made by top military commanders.

Applications for conscientious discharges always increase during wartime. There were 111 granted during the 1991 Gulf War. Only 28 were granted last year, military officials said.

"The Marine Corps understands there are service members opposed to the war," said Capt. Patrick O'Rourke, spokesman for Funk's unit, adding that he hadn't received Funk's application yet. "He'll be treated fairly."

Funk, who grew up in Washington state, enlisted when he was 19 and living on his own for the first time. He said he caved in to pressure from a recruiter who capitalized on his vulnerability.

"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said. "I didn't really realize the full implications of what I was doing and what it really meant to be in the service as a reservist."

Funk said he began doubting his fitness for military service during basic training last spring when he felt uncomfortable singing cadence calls that described violence and screaming "Kill, kill, kill."

Funk's father, Robert Funk, enlisted in the Navy reserves and was called up to active duty in 1970 to serve in Vietnam. He said he wishes his son hadn't joined in the first place.

"I don't think he realized how close we were to getting involved in this conflict," Robert Funk said from his home in Everson, Wash. "I thought his views didn't line up with military service and he should wait and really look at it."


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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 12:26 PM        Re: Military Service doesn't always = guts, respect or brain
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I wish I could have his spot.
Well, guess what Vince: Service doesn't always = guts, respect or brains! What's stopping you?
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 12:31 PM       
Oh wow, seriousness turned into a joke. I shouldn't be suprised.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 12:38 PM       
I would have more respect for this guy if he had said that the reasons he was objecting dealt with the war itself, not the fact that he joined the army and now decided he's a pacifist or something.
Seems like he was using the armed services for personal gain and is ready to bail at the first sign that he might actually have to go do his job.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 12:39 PM       
I see your absence has allowed you to recharge your 'serious' mode. But, I figure it'll take you about a week to be back at insane military ranting, passionate descriptions of your wild life, and informing people their mother drank your cum.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 01:25 PM       
while I understand and respect the point of view of a conscientious objector who was drafted, this tool signed up for the military. What did he think they did, basket weaving? They go to war. Its their #1 job. And he was in the Marines, no less. Why does he think they are primarily riflemen?
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 01:45 PM       
I respect his fathers view point. He might have ended up being a detriment to his platoon.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 01:55 PM       
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"They don't really advertise that they kill people," Funk said. "I didn't really realize the full implications of what I was doing and what it really meant to be in the service as a reservist."
WHAT DID HE THINK THE WEAPONS WERE FOR?!?!?!?!

Has he ever read a history book? Watched the news? Seen a movie? Didn't he talk to his dad about his descicion?
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 02:21 PM       
some people should never be allowed to have children and some people should never be in the military.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 02:45 PM       
"some people should never be allowed to have children. . ."

Like your parents.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 02:56 PM       
Wow!! that stung.

How many children die each year at the hands of there parents and how many men and women will die because they fuck up or panick in stressful situations?
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 03:09 PM       
"How many children die each year at the hands of there parents and how many men and women will die because they fuck up or panick in stressful situations?"

Not enough if you're still breathing.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 04:28 PM       
"I wish I could have his spot."

But you can't. because you have a fatal disease you don't know the name of that your Doctor thinks is no big deal but the military won't let you serve, unless it's on a Submarine but you don't have the letter anymore. Which has it all over concientious objection.

"He is from San Francisco, so it makes sense."
"Oh wow, seriousness turned into a joke. I shouldn't be suprised."
Shut up you double standard pussy.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 04:44 PM       
"I wish I could have his spot"

I am sure that the envy is pouring out of you Vince. But you have my deepest sympathy, it really is sad for you that the Marine have I.Q. standards for enlisting.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:36 PM       
You know Zosimus, the only difference between you and Vince -aside from obvious political association - is you happen to have better grammar skill, and even then, just barely. You're just as petty and shallow from what I've read of your posts.

Wouldn't happen to have a submarine letter of your own you'd like to share would you?
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:48 PM        Tsk Tsk Tsk
wouldn't that be "is that you happen to have a higher degree of skill with grammar."

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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:51 PM       
Where you been Jaeg? I can't be expected to carry all the cauticness myself.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 07:58 PM        Sorry, max
sorry, man. it's been an odd 6 months or so....

but once a mocker, always a mocker....when it's it your blood, you just can't sit by when you know that not only is one of the most important political times of the new century going on, but there are overbearingly opinionated assholes out there spouting right-wingisms that just NEED to be shot down.
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Old Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:34 PM       
Oh man, I better disconnect my dial-up right now! I'm about to get 0WN3D by one of the biggest political minds in existance, who happens to live in VA! Your cousin must be missin that special kind of lovin you give since you will be destroying us right-wingers left and right. But it looks like the general population is already doing a good job of making you look wrong.
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Old Apr 4th, 2003, 09:39 AM       
That was a really great southern incest joke, Vince, and I'm pretty sure the first time anyone's made a joke like that on the internet. Yessir, nothing quite so fresh and insightful as a southern incest jokes, I'm pretty sure the 'southern incest joke' is pretty much the hallmark of the message board bon vivant. Someone throws down one a really striking southern incest joke, and hey, that fight's over, know what I mean, Submarine?
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Old Apr 4th, 2003, 11:09 AM       
Marines and sailors are notorious for not getting along. Maybe the kid has some unresolved "Daddy" issues going on here and just joined to piss off the old man. I mean, Vince would do the same if they thing if they let him out of the family basement.
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Old Apr 4th, 2003, 11:14 AM       
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Old Apr 4th, 2003, 02:06 PM       
It has nothing to do with his Basement. It has to do with fainting and getting hives. Twice.
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Old Apr 4th, 2003, 03:51 PM       
yeah. jaeger does that to me, too.
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