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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 04:49 PM       
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 04:51 PM       
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Didn't see the first four words of that post, did ya? Doesn't really seem like I'm expressing my own opinion when I write like that, does it? Would you like another rhetorical question?

And could you post a link to the Pakistan vs India thing or tell me where I can find more information?
You need to do your own research and come to your own conclusion.

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Welcome back to the fray, Zhukov.

I'd like to learn more about the Tasmanian "Independence Struggle" of the mid '70s to late '80s. Since the relevant material has been censored, are there any books that I can read about this incident?
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Please tell us more Zhukov. I was very interested in your story. Many important subjects are overlooked here in the states and by many I mean almost everything except sports, celebrities, and America's funniest home videos.
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 04:53 PM       
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You need to do your own research and come to your own conclusion.
Goddamnit. I thought that you actually had a news story or something. I should have known that you were just making stuff up again.
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 04:54 PM       
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Goddamnit. I thought that you actually had a news story or something. I should have known that you were just making stuff up again.
Follow your nose. Tucan Sam. Question reality a little bit more. There is a whole historical events out there that've been kept from most people.
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 04:56 PM       
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Question reality a little bit more. There is a whole history out there that has been kept from most people.
I question it more than you realize. All I want is to see that someone blamed Pakistan for LTTE attacks. You get me interested in something and then you bring everything crashing down. Why do you toy with my affections so?
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 05:00 PM       
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 05:00 PM       
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I question it more than you realize. All I want is to see that someone blamed Pakistan for LTTE attacks. You get me interested in something and then you bring everything crashing down. Why do you toy with my affections so?
Well allow me to redeem myself good sir!

If you're looking for a sticky situation to research then I would suggest taking a gander at the Mumbai attacks. There were numerous connections to covert state sponsored support in that event.

If you want I can make a new thread about it so you can all scream "Conspiracy Theorist" at me in unison?
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 05:01 PM       
If you really want to but I'm more interested in the LTTE being used as a tool of Pakistan and India. All I can find about it is opposite what you wrote, that Pakistan blamed India for a LTTE attack. Is that what you were referencing?
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 05:08 PM       
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If you really want to but I'm more interested in the LTTE being used as a tool of Pakistan and India. All I can find about it is opposite what you wrote, that Pakistan blamed India for a LTTE attack. Is that what you were referencing?
Hmm,

I may have gotten them switched. Eitherway, if you want to go after the crux of the issue just research which faction (Nation State) defended the Tamil Tigers when they were being attacked by the Sri Lankan government. Defense of outlaws (terrorists) is usually a smoking gun or red flag in the world of covert activities. This usually points to who is really backing them.

If my memory serves me right it was a Human Rights person in the UN but I don't know what nation he was working for.
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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 05:13 PM       
What do think the state sponsorship in the Mumbai attacks was, other than Pakistan training and equipping Lashkar-e-Taiba?
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Old Apr 14th, 2010, 02:22 AM       
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Welcome back to the fray, Zhukov.

I'd like to learn more about the Tasmanian "Independence Struggle" of the mid '70s to late '80s. Since the relevant material has been censored, are there any books that I can read about this incident?
Well I'm actually writing one myself. There is not much text material around, so mostly it's going to be filled with interviews of people that experienced it. I have a few photos from my own personal collection as well. I've been told that it's going to be impossible to get it published here, so I'm going to have to smuggle it out to my contact in the UK and have it published there.

I can't fly there myself since it's almost impossible to get a travel permit because of my ethnicity.

As far as state support goes, I think you will find, The Leader, that there is almost always some form of government activity going on behind the scenes. It may not be as direct as your cookie cutter view of the world hopes it to be, but it's still there. For instance, the previous New Zealand government (before the right wing conservatives came to power) sent a lot of humanitarian aid to the Tasmanian government in exile for things such as food and shelter. While it wasn't guns and ammunition, it meant that less money had to be spent on food, and more could be spent on bombs etc.
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Old Apr 14th, 2010, 10:42 AM       
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What do think the state sponsorship in the Mumbai attacks was, other than Pakistan training and equipping Lashkar-e-Taiba?
Some articles for you:



Somewhat relevant to the main topic.

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http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iazNx59e-BbHT6I_7FBE7LnZfJ3w


Lashkar-e-Taiba do not admit to the attacks. Very odd.

and finally,

Type in Hamid Gul interview into YouTube and check out what he said regarding the Mumbai Attacks. He used to be Pakistani ISI.


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As far as state support goes, I think you will find, The Leader, that there is almost always some form of government activity going on behind the scenes. It may not be as direct as your cookie cutter view of the world hopes it to be, but it's still there.
Wow, thanks for throwing me under the bus a few posts ago and now agreeing with me completely.

And being rude to TheLeader now is completely uncalled for.
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Old Apr 14th, 2010, 11:58 AM       
The Leader, check out this youtube video, you might find it interesting.
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Old Apr 14th, 2010, 12:38 PM       
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As far as state support goes, I think you will find, The Leader, that there is almost always some form of government activity going on behind the scenes. It may not be as direct as your cookie cutter view of the world hopes it to be, but it's still there. For instance, the previous New Zealand government (before the right wing conservatives came to power) sent a lot of humanitarian aid to the Tasmanian government in exile for things such as food and shelter. While it wasn't guns and ammunition, it meant that less money had to be spent on food, and more could be spent on bombs etc.
If that's any kind of sponsorship, it'd be passive sponsorship. Plus the New Zealand government wasn't actively supporting Tasmanian terrorist groups. They thought that they were just feeding some people, and you took advantage of that.


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Somewhat relevant to the main topic.
Kind of relevant, I guess. The tactics used weren't that unique so I don't know if you're suggesting that Russia is trying to tie everything to the Chechens, which they always do, or if you're saying that both groups were trained by the same people.


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Lashkar-e-Taiba do not admit to the attacks. Very odd.
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Type in Hamid Gul interview into YouTube and check out what he said regarding the Mumbai Attacks. He used to be Pakistani ISI.
I couldn't find any subtitled videos of him. Plus he is Pakistani so of course he's going to deny that a Pakistani based, armed and trained group carried out the attacks.

I'm not denying that state sponsored terrorism occurs, the only thing that I disagree with is that these groups represent the majority in modern terrorism. I don't think that college aged radicals who ate condensed soup and built bombs from household items were funded by any government, but I do think that the majority of terrorist groups operating during the cold war were sponsored by either the US or USSR, as evidenced by the rapid dissolution of groups across the board after the collapse of the Soviet government.

The majority of terrorist attacks that occur in the United States currently are carried out by anti-abortion groups. I don't think that any government is intentionally pumping funds into those nuts, and many of them act alone, taking pot shots at doctors and the like. I'm not completely disagreeing with what you write, especially in the cluster fuck of the Mumbai attacks, but looking at how most terrorist groups struggle for funds, I just don't see a big, all encompassing conspiracy.

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That proves nothing!
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Old Apr 14th, 2010, 01:40 PM       
The Leader you are an idiot. Even if it's "passive support" or a person doesn't know where their money is going, it's still support. Even if it's just a person who donates money to a charity, and that charity is a front, as long as the individual is a citizen of a particular country, then that countries government is giving money to these groups. In this case a terrorist group.
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The Leader: I'm not writing a case study. I'm debating people I have never met on an internet message board called Imockery. In my opinion Time is a fairly credible source when it comes to current events and I assume they vetted their sources but maybe I'm wrong and they made up those experts and the entire story but I really don't care enough to do a work cited page at the end of my message board term paper for you. I also do not lack the intelligence to understand your posts. I do understand your position, a lot of my responses were written in the middle of the night with me being fueled by red bull and just typing my streaming thoughts. I wasn't really trying to directly respond to what you were saying but more or less express my opinion on the issue in general and how I saw things differently. we should probaly all stop calling each other morons(except coolinator who is a moron who can't be defended) for not agreeing with one another because its pretty pointless and basically shows no matter what the other person says we won't take them seriously because we don't think they are smart enough to be right on anything.

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"Those were state sponsored terrorists"
"There are no terrorists. It's fake. It's like communism."

You are a fucking moron. First it has not been proven that they were sponsored by pakistan and just because their cause is to create tension between two countries does not mean they were state sponsored but my main question is if there are no terrorists then how were they 'state sponsored terrorists'? Also communism doesn't exist at all in any form around the world? ok....

I also love how some people ignore the facts about the black widow bombers that disprove some of your earlier arguments about them(or terrorists in general) being people seeking legitimate revenge against a state oppressor and not simply brainwashed pawns being manipulated for the most part by violent thugs. I at least can be open to the fact that I'm not 100 percent right and try to see things from an opposing viewpoint.


"The majority of terrorist attacks that occur in the United States currently are carried out by anti-abortion groups." This is also very inaccurate. unabomer, tim mcveigh, anthrax mailings, irs plane crash, 9/11 would beg to differ. not to mention all the eco terrorism our country currently experiences. I'd probaly guess that eco terrorism is the majority in terms of amount of incidents. how many times are abortion doctors killed or clinics bombed? not nearly as frequently as acts of eco terrorism. their are dozens of incidents every year of eco terrorism in california alone. they even fire bomb scientists cars in extreme cases and cause a large amount of property damage to companies all over in their more routine activities.

" In April, 2009, Daniel Andreas San Diego, 31, an American citizen and computer specialist, joined the ranks of international terrorists wanted by the FBI. A quarter-million dollar reward was put on his head. In 2003, he planted bombs at two animal research facilities in California, lacing them with shrapnel and setting them up so as to target first responders. Since then, he has been on the run, presumably leading a vegan lifestyle somewhere in Central America." How many anti-abortionists are on international terrorist wanted lists?( doesn't prove eco terrorists are the majority but shows how real of a threat eco terrorism is). I am fairly certain that eco terrorists are a much higher prioity for the FBI then anti-abortionists considering the amount of property damage they consistently produce opposed to the occassional murdered abortion doctor but I'll have to ask my father to ask his customer who is an FBI field agent to confirm that.

http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress02/jarboe021202.htm

Link is about how the fbi views eco terrorism

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The FBI estimates that the ALF/ELF have committed more than 600 criminal acts in the United States since 1996(this report was written in 2002), resulting in damages in excess of 43 million dollars." "In recent years, the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) has become one of the most active extremist elements in the United States"
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Old Apr 14th, 2010, 10:05 PM       
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The Leader: I'm not writing a case study. I'm debating people I have never met on an internet message board called Imockery. In my opinion Time is a fairly credible source when it comes to current events and I assume they vetted their sources but maybe I'm wrong and they made up those experts and the entire story but I really don't care enough to do a work cited page at the end of my message board term paper for you.
I never disputed your sources, nor the story. Nor did I ask you for a works cited page. I was only responding to the fact that you think I just pull "facts" out of my ass even though I probably have to look at studies written by researchers. Not just little bits and pieces quoted in news articles but the actual studies.

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I also love how some people ignore the facts about the black widow bombers that disprove some of your earlier arguments about them(or terrorists in general) being people seeking legitimate revenge against a state oppressor and not simply brainwashed pawns being manipulated for the most part by violent thugs. I at least can be open to the fact that I'm not 100 percent right and try to see things from an opposing viewpoint.
The rational behind individual terrorism and the rational of a group, meaning why they do what they do, what their goals are etc, differ greatly. I think me and coolie have largely been discussing it from the group perspective. In discussing the Chechens we have not discussed individual's motivations which can be, as you write, due to manipulation but it can also be monetary gain, to get respect from a community that idolizes martyrs, it could be because of some personal problem, etc.

The groups as a whole, however, are motivated by what they feel is right. In this case they want to be seperate from Russia and they have gotten to the point where they are willing to pick up women, strap bombs on them and blow up innocent people. They believe that will help them in their exploits. I don't think anyone here ever seriously argued with you on this, and I believe that I tried to explain this earlier, but maybe I just called you a tool. I don't know.

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"The majority of terrorist attacks that occur in the United States currently are carried out by anti-abortion groups." This is also very inaccurate. unabomer, tim mcveigh, anthrax mailings, irs plane crash, 9/11 would beg to differ. not to mention all the eco terrorism our country currently experiences. I'd probaly guess that eco terrorism is the majority in terms of amount of incidents. how many times are abortion doctors killed or clinics bombed? not nearly as frequently as acts of eco terrorism. their are dozens of incidents every year of eco terrorism in california alone. they even fire bomb scientists cars in extreme cases and cause a large amount of property damage to companies all over in their more routine activities.
I get those two mixed up a lot for some reason. Anti-abortion accounts for the second largest amount, though.

Also comparing five separate incidents, having four different ideologies driving them, as showing that anti-abortion attacks account for a majority doesn't make sense.
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Old Apr 14th, 2010, 11:23 PM       
When you refer to anti abortion terrorism, are you talking about when they murder abortion doctors? Or have they done other things I am unaware of (entirely through never researching the subject) like blow up abortion clinics?
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Well I have heard somewhere about an abortion clinic being blown up, I think. Or was it a pipe bomb in the letter box?
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When you refer to anti abortion terrorism, are you talking about when they murder abortion doctors? Or have they done other things I am unaware of (entirely through never researching the subject) like blow up abortion clinics?
I know they routinely picket outside on public property, speaking sharply to those individuals who would enter the establishment. Is that terrorism?

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Kill doctors/nurses, blow up clinics, burn clinics down, ect. It's fun for the whole family.
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I don't know how many times I have to say this....but.....

The word terrorism is just a label of demonization. The establishment is attempting to make every little infraction "terrorism". It's incremental behavior modification.

Remember when everything was communism this and communism that? Don't you see how they create enemy images to fool the public into believing that there is a real threat all the while stealing trillions of dollars in military contracts, bankers / insurance bailouts, and clamping down on civil liberties?

Yes, terrorism is a tactic. Yes, some are real terrorists, but most if not all of the time those "terrorists" are either provoked,....duped,....funded,...or completely synthetic. Funded by public-private partnerships.
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