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Old Mar 24th, 2003, 11:05 PM        fucking russians
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Russia is putting American troops at risk by selling antitank guided missiles, jamming devices and night-vision goggles to Iraq, the administration said Monday as President Bush called Vladimir Putin to express U.S. complaints.

Bush raised his objections in a tense telephone call with Putin, who in turn charged that the United States was creating ``a humanitarian catastrophe'' in Iraq.

It was the latest flare-up in a recently bumpy relationship between Washington and Moscow over issues ranging from missile-defense plans to NATO expansion. Russia sided with France and Germany to block a Bush-backed U.N. resolution sanctioning military conflict to disarm Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

After months of monitoring sales to Iraq, the United States received information in the past 48 hours about ``the kind of equipment that will put our men and women in harm's way,'' Secretary of State Colin Powell said Monday on Fox News Channel.

Later, he told Britain's Sky News that he hoped to convey fresh information to Moscow. Asked if he is certain the equipment was in Iraq, Powell replied, ``Yes.''

White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said there was ``ongoing cooperation and support to Iraqi military forces being provided by a Russian company that produces GPS jamming equipment.'' The technology blocks satellite signals that guide bombs, missiles and even troop movements.

Asked if the items were being used against U.S. troops, Fleischer said, ``They were not provided for the purpose of sitting on shelves.''

U.S. officials declined to disclose how the Russian technology was transported to Iraq, but they said Iraq has its ways of importing items.

In particular, U.S. officials alleged Russian technicians were in Iraq during the last few weeks to provide technical support for the GPS jammers. The technicians were from a Russian private company, not the government.

However, Maj. Gen. Stanley McChrystal told reporters at the Pentagon that the jamming devices had not hurt U.S. troops on the battlefield thus far.

Fleischer said the United States also is concerned that Russian firms have sold night-vision goggles and anti-tank guided missiles to Iraq.

The United States holds Moscow responsible for sales by Russian companies, arguing that the government should do more to monitor the companies and stop exports.

Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov hotly denied selling military equipment in violation of international sanctions against Iraq. ``No fact supporting the American's anxiety has been found,'' he said.

But Powell told Fox News that the Bush administration has given Ivanov and his government ``more than enough information'' to support its assertion. Administration officials said the accusations were based on confidential U.S. intelligence.

``President Putin assured President Bush that he would look into it,'' Fleischer said. ``President Bush said he looked forward to hearing the results.''

This is not the first time Moscow has been accused of leaking sensitive technology to U.S. enemies in spite of pledges to tighten its export controls.

Fleischer said concerns have been raised at the ``highest levels'' of government over the past year, but Monday's call was the first time to his knowledge that Bush broached the subject directly with Putin.

The personal relationship between Putin and Bush is strong enough to overcome this disagreement, Fleischer said, though he made clear the telephone call was unusually blunt.

``The two of them are comfortable saying directly to each other what they think,'' the spokesman said.

In Moscow, Putin called on Iraq to treat war prisoners humanely and warned Bush of the danger of a humanitarian disaster in the region.

``The number of victims on both sides is growing, and this gives rise to regret,'' Putin told top Cabinet members.

Later, in his telephone call with Bush, the Russian leader called attention to ``the humanitarian consequences of military operations,'' the presidential press service said.

Bush, who had no public appearances Monday, told reporters a day earlier that ``massive amounts of humanitarian aid should begin moving within the next 36 hours.''

National security adviser Condoleezza Rice is visiting U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan on Tuesday to discuss humanitarian issues, a senior administration official said.
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Old Mar 24th, 2003, 11:53 PM       
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Russia is putting American troops at risk by selling antitank guided missiles, jamming devices and night-vision goggles to Iraq.
SHIT. NOW THEY CAN SEE THEMSELVES GET BLOWN UP.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 12:09 AM       
Wow, Russia should be respected for being pro-diplomocy. They didn't have ANYTHING to hide! Of course, they were forced to sell these items to Iraq from stopping the U.$. of AmeriKKKa from dominating the world.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 12:31 AM       
I'd mock you, but you've already taken all the fun out of it.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 12:33 AM       
Yes, because arguing the point would prove that you would have to have the ability to have coherent and logical thought.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 12:39 AM       
You're a big fan of points, but somehow have yet to raise one.

If you've been appointed the paragon of 'coherent and logical thought' while I was out at the movies, then you am fag get kill bus.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 12:45 AM       
What, the point that Russia talked about not going to war and diplomacy over and over and how we were wrong and the main countries that did this as well (France, Germany, Russia, China) all had ties to Iraq and major things will and are being uncovered as we speak. That is the point.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 12:54 AM       
Did you raise it? No? Shut up? Not that it was a point anyway.

I won't 'argue the point' with you for several reasons:

1. You are a moron.
2. You wouldn't change your opinion.
3. Even if you could, the value of time spent changing the opinion of a moron is roughly proportional to your allowance.
4. You are too golden-brown for me.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 01:02 AM       
I must be a moron for being able to think and saying that if some showed me I was wrong, that I would re-examine and possibly change my views, since I want the truth. Maybe if you weren't too busy thinking of lameass retorts like about how I'm golden brown (and three netgeeks laugh) and bothered reading my posts, you would discover that. Also, calling me a moron isnt going to help you discredit my opinions. If you want to do that, then pull out facts and figures that are solid and are logically correct while proving mine are not factual.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 01:17 AM       
Or I could let you do the work for me and continue to amuse my party of four.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 01:22 AM       
Russia...selling weapons to Iraq, trying to make a buck, and keeping the spirit of capitalism alive.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 01:40 AM       
Proto, unless all the items you purchase and the job you have is via govt, then you are a capitalist person.

Nice try, but being capitalist doesn't mean getting rid of your morals. And Id rather live in capitalism than socialism. Unequal earning of joy vs equal forcing of miseries and all that.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 02:18 AM       
I see this thread, and I think to myself:

"And yet, noone is this disgusted with the blatant war profiteering of Dick Cheney. . ."

I'm mystified.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 02:27 AM       
What, because Chaney used to chair up Halibutron? They have always been with the govt when it comes to enviormental containment, especially fires? Lexus/Nexus searches can show that my information is correct concerning the contracts they have had with the govt. We have to produce and provide services when it comes to war, and we do that by paying companies. We went to war in WW2, and Ford made vehicles... so that means that Ford is a part of the U.$. of AmeriKKKa's war machine for money efforts. They just went over and picked on poor Hitler and wanted to splatter the blood of SS children for oil! Bad presidents!

Prove he caused this war to make money and your opinion has ground. If not, quit with the slander on the vice prez.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 07:05 AM       
He doesn't have to have caused it. Russia didn't cause this war either.
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Old Mar 25th, 2003, 07:58 AM       
Vince, calm down buddy! Breathe, man! Breathe! I was only joking! It's gonna be alright, I promise yas!
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