EPA Scientists & Workers Call for an End to Water Fluoridation Because of Cancer Risk

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Supafly345

If there is any significant danger from fluoride, you would definitely find it in these journals:

http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/

If you can't find it in either of those, it probably isn't reputable.

Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Anyway, Lets get back on topic here.

EPA unions, representing 7,000 plus environmental and public health professionals of the Civil Service have called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people.

Hmmm, this maybe somewhat important?

[Dr. Boogie]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Yes, better to rely on none and make up your own facts.

One day left, Coolie. You gonna make any effort at all to post a valid citation?

[Esuohlim]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Scientific journals themselves aren't the sources, it's the articles that are in them. Did you even finish high school? You're a lost cause.

[Pentegarn]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Hmmm, this maybe somewhat important?

Nowhere near as important as this:

Originally Posted by Esuohlim

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

and:

Originally Posted by Esuohlim

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

can't forget this:

Originally Posted by Esuohlim

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

or this:

Originally Posted by Esuohlim

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

this too:

Originally Posted by Esuohlim

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

what about this:

Originally Posted by Esuohlim

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

can't forget this:

Originally Posted by Esuohlim

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

Oh and

Spoilers!

Originally Posted by Esuohlim POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

[Colonel Flagg]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

EPA unions, representing 7,000 plus environmental and public health professionals of the Civil Service have called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people.

Ah, you're talking biology or public health?

Maybe you could check these two peer-reviewed journals.

www.pnas.org

www.nejm.org

Search these links. You might even find a bibliography or two.

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg

Ah, you're talking biology or public health?

Maybe you could check these two peer-reviewed journals.

www.pnas.org

www.nejm.org

Search these links. You might even find a bibliography or two.

Did you read the first article? I'm with the EPA unions. Lower the Sodium Fluoride level to 0.


I. FLUORIDE & THE BRAIN (back to top) Fluoride & Learning/Behavior:

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Fluoride-Induced Damage to Brain (back to top)

Bhatnagar M, et al. (2002). Neurotoxicity of fluoride: neurodegeneration in hippocampus of female mice. Indian Journal of Experimental Biology 40: 546-54. (See abstract)
Bhatnagar M, et al. (2006). Biochemical changes in brain and other tissues of young adult female mice from fluoride in their drinking water. Fluoride 39:280-284. (See study)
Chen J, et al. (2003). Selective decreases of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in PC12 cells exposed to fluoride. Toxicology 183(1-3):235-42. (See abstract)
Chen J, et al. (2002). Studies on DNA damage and apoptosis in rat brain induced by fluoride. Zhonghua Yu Fang Yi Xue Za Zhi. 36(4):222-224. (See abstract)
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Chinoy NJ, et al. (2004). Biochemical effects of sodium fluoride and arsenic trioxide toxicity and their reversal in the brain of mice. Fluoride 37: 80-87. (See abstract)
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Long YG, et al. (2002). Chronic fluoride toxicity decreases the number of nicotinic acetylcholine receptors in rat brain. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 24(6):751-7. (See abstract)
Lu XH, et al. (2000). Study of the mechanism of neurone apoptosis in rats from the chronic fluorosis. Chinese Journal of Epidemiology 19: 96-98. (See abstract)
National Research Council. (2006). Neurotoxicity and Neurobehavioral Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter)
Sarri E, Claro E. (1999). Fluoride-induced depletion of polyphosphoinositides in rat brain cortical slices: a rationale for the inhibitory effects on phospholipase C. International Journal of Developmental Neuroscience 17(4):357-67. (See abstract)
Shah SD, Chinoy NJ. (2004). Adverse effects of fluoride and/or arsenic on the cerebral hemisphere of mice and recovery by some antidotes. Fluoride 37: 162-171. (See abstract)
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XIX. SYSTEMIC FLUORIDE NEVER APPROVED BY FDA (back to top)

Food & Drug Administration. (2000). Letter from Melinda K. Plaisier, Associate Commissioner for Legislation, FDA, to Congressman Ken Calvert. Dec 21, 2000. (See letter)

Kelly JV. (2000). Letter to Senator Robert Smith, Chairman of Environment and Public Works Committee, U.S. Senate, August 14, 2000. (See letter)

[Supafly345]

Originally Posted by TheCoolinator

Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Have you ever been to fucking school? You can source a hundred times to just one, just one, of those journals, and as long as they are separate papers they are considered separate sources. JESUS FUCK, you do know that the papers in science journals aren't written by the staff who run the journal right? I mean you have at least a tenuous grasp of the scientific process that even the most retarded college freshman has right? You must have, or else you wouldn't be linking to hundreds of papers you've never read right? To know if they are trustworthy? Right? Not just linked by truthers?

Up until now I've held back the insults, name calling, and character smears in the spirit of good sport. But now that you are gone coolie, I think it was high time I let a little out, since by now it is clear there is no hope for you. You crazy, rapist, truther, angsty, pedo, murdering, theiving, conspiracy theoris, paranoid, mother fucking racist.

[Zhukov]

Tee hee hee.

I like how with his very last breath Coolie tries the "I WAS JUST TROLLING YOU!" tactic.

Funny while he lasted. What a moron though.