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Old Nov 15th, 2007, 02:32 AM        Democrats Attach Strings To Funding
In the good old ays a time of war meant that people would come together with the common goal of trying to win, setting aside political agendas because lives are at stake.


However, to House Democrats it means playing games of attaching strings to achieve political goals:
WASHINGTON, Nov. 14 — The House on Wednesday approved $50 billion of the nearly $200 billion that President Bush had requested for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan but attached many strings to the measure, virtually guaranteeing that Senate Republicans would block it.
The strings included a requirement that troop withdrawals begin within 30 days, a narrowing of the mission to focus on counterterrorism and on training Iraqi security forces, and a goal of full withdrawal by mid-December 2008.
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Basically, they are making it so that we will not be able to fully complete our mission if we approve of the bill. In this aspect it is becoming entirely like the Vietnam war: a capable military fighting a winnable war but hopelessly having strings attached to everything and barring them from doing their job.

It lost us Vietnam and now it looks like we're going to let the Democrats lose us Iraq.
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Old Nov 15th, 2007, 09:21 AM       
I'm sorry, you're, what, twenty something? What you know of 'the good old days' could be crammed on the head of a pin with room left over for your sobriety.

The power of the purse is guaranteed to congress and is a fundamental part of separation of powers, one of the things that makes us a democracy and not a dictatorship.

As for 'loosing' Vietnam, we can see what a terrible fate befell the world on account of that, how the dominoes fell and the commies took over the... wait, communism pretty much disintegrated and Vietnam is now a major trading partner. I guess if we'd stuck it out and 'won', Jesus would have come back by now.

Besides, how will we ever win until they transfer the best and brightest like you over to Iraq? As long as your hunkered down in Korea boozing and brawling we don't stand a chance.
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Old Nov 15th, 2007, 11:37 AM       
I remember the good old days, when Negros had their own drinking fountains and sat at the back of the bus. Life was good.
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Old Nov 15th, 2007, 11:48 AM       
See, now, I thought he meant the good old days when you chicks didn't have the vote.
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Old Nov 15th, 2007, 12:51 PM       
KK, I'm curious, which war do you think we went into without any sort of politics getting the way?
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Old Nov 15th, 2007, 06:40 PM       
Wait- chicks can vote now?
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Old Nov 15th, 2007, 08:18 PM       
Well don't tell them!
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Old Nov 16th, 2007, 01:25 AM       
WWII was the last war we went into where we concentrated onv ictory and everyone pooled together. Towards the end of the Korean war we had a lot of restraints put on our activities.

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As for 'loosing' Vietnam, we can see what a terrible fate befell the world on account of that, how the dominoes fell and the commies took over the... wait, communism pretty much disintegrated and Vietnam is now a major trading partner. I guess if we'd stuck it out and 'won', Jesus would have come back by now.
Well, actually...

The Indochinese Communist Party created the Khmer Rouge and the Laotian government. A communist revolt in Indonesia bordered on success. Hell, there was even a Marxist army in the Philippines and a Communist insurgency in Thailand.

Burma is now run by super-socialists.

I think you need to place both feet inside of your mouth.
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Old Nov 16th, 2007, 10:10 AM       
The Nixon destabalized Cambodia when he illegally bombed Cambodia (which he then lied about to congress, another violation of law), making the Khmer Rouge's takeover possible.

Indonesia? Trading partner of the US.

China? Trading partner of the US, and principle funder of the borrowed money which keeps the war on terror and our country running. Prior to the War on Terror, you may recall, we had a budget surplus and were in no way dependent upon China.

The 'threat' we suppossedly warred in Vietnam to prevent was a unified global communist block.

Burma is what's called a military dictatorship, something the US is sadly comfortable with.

You'd think that our current middle eastern adventure which has rendered us almost powerless to affect events on the world stage (See Pakistan, Darfur, Burma) would show you that the world is slightly more complicated than a coloring book but that would be discounting your self induced head trauma and liver damage.

Perhaps if we'd truly embraced the Vietnam war, we could have sunk our economy, lost moral high ground, diminished our status and influence around the globe and thereby established a good ol' days style world democracy three decades ago. Lucky for you, a few hard liners from Nixons old gang hung around, won (maybe) two elections and got an eight year chance to prove what they could do once they were in the drivers seat. The War on Terror has gone on longer than Good ol' WWII, in a much smaller theater of operations, with complete control of both houses of congress, a very lazy press, a cooperative supreme court and a willingness to violate the law. Take a look around. In more time than it took to topple the Nazis we can't get the friggin lights on as often as Sadaam Hussein did and we have no idea what's become of eleven billion dollars we handed out in bundled cash.

The Democrats are loosing this war? The DEMOCRATS?!? The complicit, weak willed, spineless Democrats, who are going to loose the vote you are so worried about, who can't pass anti war legislation when three quarters of the country now feels this war is a mistake, their unpassed legislation and weak sister fumbling is what's going to lose the war?

LAY OFF THE BOOZE, Drunky Mcgetsbeatup. You're less than a year away from flopping at some quasi skinhead squat wondering if you have enough energy to try to beat beer money out of some unlucky schoolboy, unless you let the army fly you home in which case you'll be disgruntled, unemployed, showing off the face tattoo you blew your last paycheck on and letting people think you were in Fallujah.

Pull yourself together, clean yourself up, meet some actual smart people and see what they're like instead of thinking you're what passes for deep and maybe in the coming recession you'll be able to parlay your army experience into a Mall security guard job where you'll find out flirting with underage girls that speak the same language as you is challenging enough to keep you from seeking out repressed homoerotic beatings.
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