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Old May 20th, 2005, 07:50 PM       
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I think South-Park Conservative is a fancy way of saying, pro-war-in-Iraq libertarian. Not a single one of their episodes pokes fun at libertarianism or even objectivism.
I think that has less to do with loyalty, and more to do with relevance. What percentage of South Park viewers are going to get an Ayn Rand joke?

And I don't believe Matt and/or Trey are Objectivists. I'd think that might be far too dogmatic for their cynical tastes.
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Old May 21st, 2005, 11:31 AM       
I somewhat agree with Helm. Prime example: there's this annoying guy at the anti-state forums who interprets EVERY FUCKING MOVIE as supporting anarcho-capitalism in some way. I mean, christ, I'm an ancap, but wake up...

In truth, my opinion is that while language can be interpreted different ways, there is at least some level of understood meaning. Otherwise, language would be incomprehensible and no one would have even the slightest clue as to what was being said. Think of an objective base overlayed by subjective tones.

And yes, I do think that the creators of South Park are conservative.
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Old May 21st, 2005, 11:42 AM       
You know, it is possible to be a moderate and make fun of both sides.
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Old May 21st, 2005, 01:09 PM       
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And yes, I do think that the creators of South Park are conservative.
How so?
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Old May 21st, 2005, 07:45 PM       
Well, at least the few times I've watched it, there tends to be a theme coming back to traditional American values. That, and I've seen more bashing of PC and liberalism than I have of conservatism.
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Yes, American Values like a singing hunk of shit. Very perceptive.
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Old May 21st, 2005, 09:57 PM       
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Yes, American Values like a singing hunk of shit. Very perceptive.
And Jesus having a daytime talkshow.
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Old May 21st, 2005, 11:04 PM       
Those aren't themes, you know.

American values like working hard, family, etc, not being a dickwad of a fundamentalist. And I didn't say that they never made fun of conservatives.
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Old May 21st, 2005, 11:55 PM       
- Does South Park ever target the Bush administration? Thanks!
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 02:34 AM       
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Saddam Hussein's WMDs in heaven.
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 02:06 PM       
I see your point, OAO. Like the most recent Christmas episode, where a couple of mountain lion cubs learn how to perform abortions in order to prevent the anti-Christ from consuming Kyle's body. :/
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Old May 22nd, 2005, 02:09 PM       
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not being a dickwad of a fundamentalist.
When in the last 25 years has this ever been synonymous with conservatism....?
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 01:39 AM       
should have quoted that entire bit about working hard and family too...

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appropriating these things to use them as political tools dont translate into being the party to stand for them
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 10:40 PM       
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not being a dickwad of a fundamentalist.
When in the last 25 years has this ever been synonymous with conservatism....?
What I mean to say is that the conservative values they espouse do not include religious fundamentalism.
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 11:12 PM       
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Saddam Hussein's WMDs in heaven.
But Saddam ended up actually to be making weapons in that episode so that not really an attack on Bush.
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Old May 23rd, 2005, 11:17 PM       
It included the famous line of 'are you high or just stupid?' in response to the WMD bit at the UN. Responded to with 'I assure you gentlemen I am not high'.

Likewise, there was a joke about country singers cashing on on 9/11 in that episode.

Yeah, if you want to think it only targets the left, be my guest, but you're missing out on half of the jokes.
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Old May 25th, 2005, 07:24 PM       
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It always seemed to me that when South Park took conservative stances on things, it was in such a way to make conservatives look like douches. Like the episode where the people came from the future and in the end they all said how gay trying to help other people is.
Especially when they came right out and called the Conservatives 'evil' in that episode about the Schivo case. Oh yeah, South Park Conservatives, yup indeedy...full of bullshit, really.

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He must be referring to the episode where Stan taught the mountain lion cubs how to perform abortions so they could kill the antichrist fetus...
And which was Bush again, the douche or the turd sandwich?
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Old May 25th, 2005, 07:27 PM       
The Turd Sandwich.

I saw this book at Barnes and Nobles yesterday. It's fucking moronic.
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Thanks.

And yes it is.
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Old May 27th, 2005, 11:52 PM       
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It included the famous line of 'are you high or just stupid?' in response to the WMD bit at the UN. Responded to with 'I assure you gentlemen I am not high'.

Likewise, there was a joke about country singers cashing on on 9/11 in that episode.

Yeah, if you want to think it only targets the left, be my guest, but you're missing out on half of the jokes.
I don't. I think South Park targets whoever the hell they want to. Honestly if you picked out everything South Park has poked fun at you'd have no fucking idea the political leanings of the South park creaters so save your time. The great thing about South Park is it mocks everyone. If Matt and Trey were really on the left they would of taken full advantage of having a show based on the Bush family but instead they went with a mocking of sitcoms and the show got canned. If they were really conservative they would never of been in any of the movies they have appeared in or have the orginal cartoon of SP feature Jesus fighting Santa. Who knows the whole blantantly saying 'Conservatives are evil.' might have nothing to do with their actual beliefs but maybe to disassociate themselves with this book or hell maybe the whole 'are you high or just stupid' line was for laughs because it was one of the funnier lines in that episode. There is no doubt the creaters use the show as a soapbox on many occasions but havn't you ever fucking read the NY times quote on the commerical? The show has a dogma of its own and that in my opinion is dead on and I hate the NY times.

But if anyone think the creaters are liberals after one of them have been quoted saying they hate liberals more than conservatives then you will only believe what you want to believe.
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Old May 28th, 2005, 11:38 AM       
You can be a liberal and still hate liberals. You don't join political parties because you like the people who are in them, you join because you agree with the ideals of the party.
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Old May 28th, 2005, 06:24 PM       
Ant, I'm not saying they're liberals or leftists. I'm just saying they're not conservatives.

You do realize not everyone fits under one or the other right? Hell, look at McCain.
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I wasn't trying to say you were calling them liberals. Yes I know that people fit under different categories than conservative and liberal. I'm not a moron so you don't need to doublecheck with these questions of yours. Just look at Rudy who spoke at my sister's graduation. Some bishop wouldn't go because he is pro choice. Rudy was funny thou and even made jokes about the controversy. Good graduation speaker.
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Old Jan 3rd, 2006, 09:42 PM       
I know I'm digging up an old thread here, but I just came across this old editorial. It's from the editor of Vice, but it's worth a good read.

http://vdare.com/misc/050531_mcinnes.htm

May 31, 2005

South Park Conservatives: Is This New Anti-Left Trend Right?
By Gavin McInnes

As a self-proclaimed “guy who knows things about trends” I could not agree more with Michelle Malkin and Bryanna Bevens. South Park Conservatives are not conservatives at all. They are simply well-informed Gen-Xers who are not slaves to either end of the political spectrum’s dogma.

To understand, why one needs to go back merely one generation.

The Baby Boomers started out self-obsessed and smug and decided at a very early age they were going to be better than their parents. They were going to abolish racism and institute a strict regimen of looking for love and feeling groovy. They thought their parents were infected with dogmatic labels like Catholic and Protestant and life’s too cool for that. It’s time for change.

Instead of abolishing religion however, the Boomers just invented their own. Their dogma was just as stifling—only this time it was Right vs. Left.

Despite attempts to classify Gen X and Y into the spectrum of liberal, neocon, paleocon etc., today’s youth are bucking the whole idea of them vs. us, replacing conservative and liberal with—nothing.

The mainstream media sees a group of kids turning their nose up at liberal bias and they instantly assume it’s their grandfather’s soul reincarnated two generations later. They shudder in horror and call this new group Hipublicans or South Park Conservatives (even my own magazine took these paleoconservative characteristics and ran with them).

But to assume laughing at the left means blindly embracing the right is naïve. If the “South Park Conservatives” are conservatives, why does Pat Buchanan dry heave every time he accidentally channel surfs past the show?

The truth is this new generation is too sexually promiscuous, drug friendly, atheist and, more specifically informed to let the pendulum swing back all the way to the right.

More information has become available to the average human being in the past 5 years than all of history combined. When boomers heard liberal dogma back in the 60s, it was a chore to dig up the other side of the argument. Today it’s a mere Google click away. Thanks to the never-ending memes of the Internet we are able to glean the truth of both sides.

Is it any surprise then, in an era when even politicians have trouble differentiating between Democrat and Republican, there would be a generation that doesn’t even bother trying?

You can see examples of this new dichotomy within every hot topic.

Avant-garde filmmaker Bruce LaBruce is anti-gay marriage but he’s also a raging homosexual. If you think he’d fit in with the born again Christians give it a try and get back to me.

Today’s 18-25s hate Sharon with a passion but they also despise the latent sexism so intrinsic in Islam.

Yes, they consciously cringe when papers like the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal ignore the workingman and blindly praise the few upsides of globalism. But they also roll their eyes when the war on drugs claims another victim or the Republicans sweep into Iraq.

A great example of this recently appeared in Rolling Stone. The gay liberal tabloid features a comic called Get Your War On which spends most of its panels sarcastically praising the impossible task of erasing terrorism. However, when the painfully-out-of-touch Thomas Friedman leapt out of his leather chair and exulted “the world is flat”—i.e. globalism is good— with the rest of the ignorant left, Get Your War On accused him of "uncanny optimism?", and said “That makes no sense.”

Go over some Get Your War On archives. [Here]

Is this comic right or left? To quote the band Crass in their song White Punks on Hope, “Left wing, right wing, you can stuff the lot.”

Nothing sums up what I’m talking about better than a line from a movie the South Park guys made named Team America World Police.

Ironically the paleocons that are so ready to adopt these new anti-lefties will find this quote unread ably vile.

Maybe so but I challenge you to find a better example of the so-called South Park Conservatives gleaning the best of all the political spectrum has to offer.

The quote is from the end of the film when the protagonist Gary Johnston (played by South Park co-founder Trey Parker) is forced to defend America:

“We're dicks!” he says, “We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an *sshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get f*cked by dicks. But dicks also f*ck *ssholes: *ssholes that just want to sh*t on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with *ssholes their way. But the only thing that can f*ck an *sshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they f*ck too much or f*ck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of sh*t that they become *ssholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us f*ck this *sshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in sh*t!?”
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I believe we have a couple on the board now. :/

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