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Old May 18th, 2005, 10:16 AM        Countdown to Nuclear Option
The Senate just took up the Priscilla Ownes nomination. Moderates on both parties are trying to forge a compromise, but I doubt there's any chance of one. The current Republican stratgey embraces polarization, and I'm pretty late to realize this a long term strategy.

I'm finally getting why W with no mandate in his first term and a slim one in his second has rules like a Monarch. He never had the mass popularity to remain in power. The only way to do it was a sort of 'shoot the moon' philosiphy of hanging on to a slim majority, and that slim majority is energized by polarization, demagogery (however that's spelled) and demonization.

Not only is there no need for concensus or compromise, either of those things could have damaged his ability to hold on to power with just enough above fifty percent to win his agenda.

The problem here is this administration is deliberately tearing the country into two camps and fanning the flames, Historically whipping up a mob can gain you short term victories, but it's very hard to control and very destructive. Of course by the time W's chicken's come home to roost he'll be on the celebrity golf circuit collecting huge speaking fees at places like Bob Jones University.
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Old May 18th, 2005, 11:09 AM       
If the Rep's do away with the filibuster it's likely to hurt them the next time a democratic president proposes a judge. Really, it's sad how little the GOP realizes that they are potentially hurting themselves in the future.

It's like with the FDR term limiting. When Ike came along, and then much later with Reagan, they had shot themselves in the foot by limiting the presidency lengths.
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Old May 18th, 2005, 06:33 PM        Harry Reid speaks out
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SENATOR HARRY REID'S REMARKS AT DEMOCRATIC UNITY EVENT

Remarks as prepared for delivery:

The hour of decision has come for our nation's Senate. In the debate that has begun, the Republican majority that holds the reins of power will have to make a choice.

They will have to choose between their partisan interests or the people's interests.

Between upholding our liberties and rights or overturning 200 year old protections.

Between continuing to abuse the power the American people have lent them or using that power on behalf of everyday Americans who are looking for a fair break.

When Americans think of a scary person in a black robe, they should be thinking of Darth Vader, not Republican choices for judges. But what the Republican leadership is attempting to do is to pack the courts with judges far out of the mainstream of American values.

To do so they want to scrap rules that have been in place since our nation's beginning that give every Senator the right to speak their mind and say their piece. They are demanding a power no president has ever had: the ability to all-but personally hand out lifetime jobs to judges without giving the other party any say.

That's too much power for one person. That's too much power for one President. That's too much power for one political party.

Our Constitution says the Senate should give "advice and consent." Not advice as long as we agree with everything President Bush wants. Not consent as long as we rubber-stamp the most extreme elements of the Republican agenda.

These checks and balances were put in place by our founding fathers. And they are there for a reason: to prevent any political party from abusing its power.

Look at the facts: more than 60 of President Clinton's nominees to be judges never were allowed an up-or-down vote. In contrast, we have approved 208 out of President Bush's 218 nominees. That's the best record any president has had in a quarter of a century. But its not enough for George Bush and the Republican leaders.

We've approved 95 percent of their picks. But that's not enough for them. They want 100 percent. They want it all. All the say. All the control. All the power. It's their way or the highway. But that's not the American way.

The Washington Republicans are on a quest for absolute power...and we all know what that brings. Their corruption and abuse of power is already here for all Americans to see. House Republican leader Tom Delay is a walking symbol of what's wrong with Washington DC.

At a time when gas prices are going through the roof and families are cutting back on summer vacations, George Bush and Dick Cheney are trying to line the pockets of big oil and walking hand-in-hand with the Saudi princes.

And while health care costs are rising, pensions are sinking, and our economy is stuck in place, Washington Republicans are wasting our time by trying to pay off the far right.

We are a nation at war. And the American people want their leaders to be focused on achieving progress, not playing partisan games.

Fifty years ago this Spring, a US Senator in the majority party wrote that "Fanatics and extremists are always disappointed at the failure of their government to rush to implement all their principles." But that the job of leaders is to follow the "course of their conscience."

Those were the words of John F. Kennedy in "Profiles in Courage." Now comes a time of testing for our own time. In the coming days, we will see who our nation's leaders of courage are today. I ask Republicans who believe in liberty and limited government to join us in taking a stand against this abuse of power.

Its time that the Republican leaders in Congress stopped silencing people's voices and began hearing the voices of Americans who are calling on us to live up to our nation's promise.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 12:51 PM       
So I sent an e-mail to my senators urging them to vote against the nuclear option, saying that it sets a dangerous precedent and opens the door for serious abuse of power.

A response from Senator Talent (or, rather, a designated staff member, or most likely an automated response) said that he felt these judicial nominees possessed "competent legal skills ; even their
detractors do not refute that. To the extent that these nominees
have been opposed, it is because some Senators do not agree with
their judicial philosophy. But that is not the basis for opposing,
much less filibustering, a nominee. If it were, no one who has
views about the law could ever get confirmed because one side or
the other would filibuster them. "

That's just an excerpt from a response that was quite a bit more lengthy than I expected. So, in short, I, like a good citizen, took time out to express my concern over a gravely important decision.

He, like a good politician, sent a response that was not only filled with logical fallacies like the one above, but in no way whatsoever addressed my concerns.

No wonder everyone's watching American Idol instead of paying attention to this shit.
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Old May 19th, 2005, 12:58 PM       
Don't worry. Your dissent was noted I'm sure. Something along the lines of "We got X number of emails about this." I mean, consider the existence of politcal fax/email/letter generators. If you haven't seen these, look into em, they're kinda neat.

Still, a letter in a sealed envelope has the most weight when communicating with elected officials. Emails and faxes are like spam to them, you just get ticked off as a number in a column. Same with written letters, but I've heard that column has more weight than the email and fax columns.
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Old May 25th, 2005, 07:07 PM       
I also emailed my Senators (and my representative if that helps) via the ACLU's website to vote against the nuclear option. And I told them that if they had to shutdown the government, have a drink while they're doing so.

Thankfully it didn't come to that. All the news sources now are applauding that and have pretty much castrated Frist and are now calling McCain the leader of the Republican Party. I think President Bitch is now going to have a very hard job. How about constant year long vacations?
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