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Old Jun 4th, 2003, 11:58 AM        Enabling Act?
I know Ror will probably have a field day with this one, since he has little patience for the Hitler/Bush comparisons. I'm generally in that same boat, but with this, I dunno.

This however goes beyond Bush, since he isn't even the one proposing it. It just strikes me as being odd that rather than making sure that terrorist attacks such as this never happen, through a joint effort of strong domestic security and a more tolerant foreign policy, we instead are planning on how to give the president power to make things all better when it happens. Sure, you need to be prepared, but is this reasonable? What do you all think?

http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...on/6005933.htm

Posted on Tue, Jun. 03, 2003

Panel wants Constitution amended in case of attack

By FRANK DAVIES
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - The Constitution must be amended to ensure the continuity of government in case Congress is wiped out by a terrorist attack, a blue-ribbon bipartisan commission will recommend Wednesday.

If a Sept. 11-like attack destroyed Congress, the current system of holding special elections to fill vacancies in the House of Representatives would take too long - an average of four months, depending on the state - the panel found after a year-long study.

Governors currently fill U.S. Senate vacancies, but without an amendment allowing similar temporary appointments to the House until elections could be held, the nation could have no functioning Congress in a time of great crisis.

"In the event of a disaster that debilitated Congress, the vacuum could be filled by unilateral executive action - perhaps a benign form of martial law," the commission found. "The country might get by, but at a terrible cost to our democratic institutions."

The 15-member bipartisan panel was chaired by veteran presidential adviser Lloyd Cutler, a Democrat, and former Sen. Alan Simpson of Wyoming, a Republican. It includes two former House speakers - Democrat Tom Foley of Washington state and Republican Newt Gingrich of Georgia - and two former White House chiefs of staff, Kenneth Duberstein, who served President Reagan, and Leon Panetta, who served President Clinton.

The doomsday scenario that the Continuity of Government Commission addressed might seem the stuff of a Tom Clancy thriller, except for what happened in the fall of 2001. According to two of the plotters, the fourth hijacked plane, which crashed in Pennsylvania, was headed for the U.S. Capitol. And the anthrax-by-mail attacks that shut down a Senate office building revealed another vulnerability of the nation's legislature.

"The issue is real now," said commission member Donna Shalala, president of the University of Miami and former secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services.

"Those attacks were a warning about how would we govern if there were some terrible tragedy," Shalala said. "The answer is we would have to go to the governors."

After the attacks, members of the House wrestled with what to do about their own mortality. Several of them proposed revisions, but many resisted change in the tradition of the "people's House," for which representatives have always been elected.

Two of Washington's leading research centers, the conservative American Enterprise Institute and more liberal Brookings Institution, focused on how to ensure continuity in government in an age of terrorism. With the support of congressional leaders, scholars Norman Ornstein of AEI and Thomas Mann of Brookings helped create the commission, which also will look at the executive branch and judiciary.

Enacting a constitutional amendment is a tortuous process, requiring a two-thirds vote by both houses of Congress and passage by three-quarters of state legislatures.

After a lengthy debate, commissioners agreed unanimously that an amendment was the only solution. Similar amendments were proposed in the 1950s and 1960s under the threat of nuclear attack, but never advanced.

"The problem of vacancies in the House is more or less the same as it was during the Cold War, but there is a much greater likelihood of an attack incapacitating large numbers of members," the commission report says, citing the threat of anthrax and smallpox.

The panel favors a concise amendment that would empower Congress to legislate several sensitive issues: How many vacancies would trigger emergency replacements, how is "incapacitation" determined and how would an incapacitated member be able return to work?

Congress has not come to grips with such issues, "and the further we get from the horror of the 2001 attacks and the dodged bullet, the tougher it gets," Ornstein said.

"But with the second anniversary of Sept. 11 looming, I hope this will nudge Congress to do something after so long."

The Continuity of Government Commission suggested a concise constitutional amendment and gave one example:

"Congress shall have the power to regulate by law the filling of vacancies that may occur in the House of Representatives and Senate in the event that a substantial number of members are killed or incapacitated."

Members of the commission are:

Co-chairmen: Lloyd Cutler, former presidential adviser; former Sen. Alan Simpson, R-Wyo.

Members:


Philip Chase Bobbitt, historian and adviser to President Reagan.


Kenneth Duberstein, who was White House chief of staff for President Reagan.


Ex-House Speaker Tom Foley, D-Wash.


Charles Fried, who was solicitor general under President Reagan.


Ex-House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga.


Jamie Gorelick, who was deputy attorney general under President Clinton.


Nicholas Katzenbach, who was attorney general under President Johnson.


U.S. Appeals Court Judge Robert Katzmann.


Lynn Martin, who was labor secretary under President George H.W. Bush.


Former Rep. Kweisi Mfume, D-Md., and NAACP president.


Former House Minority Leader Robert Michel, R-Ill.


Leon Panetta, who was White House chief of staff for President Clinton.


Donna Shalala, who was health and human services secretary under President Clinton.
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Old Jun 4th, 2003, 03:02 PM       
The government has had absolute power granted to it for a long time now, especially through FEMA.

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Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:


EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis."
FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:


the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;

the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;

the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and

the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.
These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
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Old Jun 4th, 2003, 03:06 PM       
Right, but most of those Orders seem to place certain rights under times of distress in the hands of the "government." The amendment that this panel has proposed would essentially make "the government" one man, which to me, is far scarrier than most of the Orders you've posted above.
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