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Old Nov 27th, 2009, 11:59 PM       
i guess so. he lives with his parents and collects social security basically because of the work they did.
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Old Nov 30th, 2009, 12:47 PM       
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The whole point of our government and social justice isn't just taking care of people who can't take care of themselves, but to help alleviate social inequalities so that those who weren't born with an innate social advantage (i.e. being born white and rich) can have equal advantages and social mobiliity. The other reason we take care of people, like prisoners and insane persons, is to protect society from them.
Historically, the only role our government was supposed to play was as the Mediator. Basically, to protect people from each other and nature. There's nothing in the constitution that says that it is our job to take care of people who can't take care of themselves with our tax money.
Are there plenty of people writing under your nickname, cause you seem to say different things a lot.

Also, you keep arguing that people who don't contribute to the community are better off dead. CAre to elaborate? Just how would they be killed?

I think that's the catch; people who don't manage in life don't quietly go and die in some corner, they typically survive (albeit barely) and end up causing a lot of trouble for everyone, and costing a lot of money. So even crassly economically speaking, a society which is generous in terms of benefits and fundings gets it back in the long run.
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Old Nov 30th, 2009, 03:19 PM       
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...I kind of get an idea of what the popular consensus is in America now
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Old Nov 30th, 2009, 03:21 PM       
Does this mean Hoover's stocks are going to increase?

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Old Nov 30th, 2009, 03:24 PM       
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Old Nov 30th, 2009, 05:09 PM       
Dimnos: Sweden. Feel free to vent any socialist-oriented prejudices now
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Old Nov 30th, 2009, 05:31 PM       
Socialist? You guys in Sweden are socialists? I thought you guys had a constitutional monarchy like the UK?

Most people here in the USA feel that if you are handicapped in some way that you cant provide for yourself then we have programs, such as Social Security and a few others, that will take care of you. However there are a lot of lazy ass fuckers that abuse the system just to be lazy and not have to work.

If you REALLY need/deserve aid then you are welcome to it. However if you are lazy and just want to leach off the system then you deserve to die.

Off Topic Question for the Swedish man: I got one of those propaganda emails from this very right wing ex military friend of mine. It was arguing against gun control in America. In it it claimed that in Sweden the government trained all citizens over the age of 18 how to properly care for and use a rifle and then gave them a rifle. As it was one of the propaganda emails I dismissed it as untrue but seeing as you are here I want to ask, is there any truth to that at all?
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Old Nov 30th, 2009, 05:50 PM       
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Tadao, that's Switzerland, not Sweden.

Dimnos, that's Switzerland, not Sweden.
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Old Dec 1st, 2009, 02:11 AM       
"Mosques and minaret construction projects in Sweden, France, Italy, Austria, Greece, Germany and Slovenia have been met by protests."

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Old Dec 1st, 2009, 04:01 AM       
Ok ok, sorry.
I can agree that Europe has seen a rise in islamophobia, including Sweden.

That doesn't mean that Sweden hasn't got a very strong official and political stance towards that kind of intolerance and racism. If you had googled some more about the Swiss referendum, you'd have found that Sweden, as the current "president" of the EU, has condemned the banning of minarets strongly.
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Old Dec 1st, 2009, 04:37 AM       
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I kind of get an idea of what the popular consensus is in America now
What. you can generalize my country but I can't do the same to you?

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What. you can generalize my country but I can't do the same to you?
You can, I'm just saying how you're wrong
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Old Dec 1st, 2009, 10:35 AM       
What? I thought you Swedes didnt get all judgmental?
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Next pregnant Swede I see is gonna get a free abortion courtesy of me punching them in the stomach.
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Old Dec 1st, 2009, 02:16 PM       
Dimnos, are you kidding? Swedes pass judgments all day long. We're the ones with the Nobel prizes and all that crap. I'm itching to assess you and maybe award you for something as we speak right now
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Old Dec 1st, 2009, 03:24 PM       
Well I demand my award then. AND PRIZE MONEY DAMN IT!
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Also, you keep arguing that people who don't contribute to the community are better off dead. CAre to elaborate? Just how would they be killed?
Rocks or other hard/sharp objects which may be found in junkyards and also it could be done by the public for the public.

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people who don't manage in life don't quietly go and die in some corner, they typically survive (albeit barely) and end up causing a lot of trouble for everyone, and costing a lot of money. So even crassly economically speaking, a society which is generous in terms of benefits and fundings gets it back in the long run.
Well crassly economically speaking, if we just killed those persons we'd save even more money.
Let me ask you about this: What about the people who don't manage their life but are capable of doing so? In other words, people who are completely capable of solving their own problems but instead choose to be a drain on everybody else? Shouldn't they have as much encouragement to uh solve their own problems in life much as possible so that at least THEY won't be sucking down the government cheese?
If we continue to provide people with everything they need and very little encouragement to improve themselves, then these persons who have little motivation already be self-sufficient will have even less of a motivation and may never stop relying on the government. Thus, crassly economically speaking, in the long run it may be more beneficial to not solve everyone's problems for them because it may discourage persons from becoming self-sufficient, creating more of a debt than otherwise.
Plus what encouragement will people have to work in general, not just those with little motivation -- especially considering that some persons can have a higher or equal quality of life by not working ;/

what value does this place on abortion, and what value will it gain in society if it is basically available free to anybody who "needs"/wants it.
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Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 04:08 AM       
Who threw that rock!!?

Kahljorn, yes I absolutely agree that that's the crux of the matter. With "generous" I don't really mean make everybody rich even if they do nothing; I mean don't assume that everyone is a lazy moocher when in fact they may want to work but can't, due to a number of illnesses or whatever. I think when the general attitude towards recipients of benefits is that they probably don't deserve them is when the climate of a society is taking a turn for the worse. This is probably more a matter of philosophy rather than practice.

I've never been in a situation where I haven't worked (I'm a teacher by the way) and I'm very confident that even in the direst of times I'd probably find something gainful to do with my time, as long as I'm healthy. But I know of people who really can't work, but who'd love to if they could, and who are in the process of being able to work thanks to rather extensive programmes which are probably costly in the eyes of a tax payer. One thing I do know is that they would give up the prospect of working if the government accused them of cheating and instead left them to their own devices.

I'm very interested in these questions and would love to hear more suggestions, as long as they steer clear from stoning, at least for a little while
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Old Dec 2nd, 2009, 08:31 AM       
Kahl doesn't actually believe that killing is ever the right thing to do by the way; he just wants you to formulate an argument against it.
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