OPERATION CUBAN EMANCIPATION?

[Zhukov]

This is from Michael Moores website:

In the White House Rose Garden today, “President” Bush announced that he would seek regime change in Cuba. He said: “[O]ur government will establish a Commission for the Assistance to a Free Cuba, to plan for the happy day when Castro's regime is no more and democracy comes to the island. This commission will be co-chaired by the Secretary of State, Colin Powell; and the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, Mel Martinez. They will draw upon experts within our government to plan for Cuba's transition from Stalinist rule to a free and open society, to identify ways to hasten the arrival of that day.”

http://www.michaelmoore.com/homeland/index.php

Any thoughts?

It may be just more assasination attempts, but if Cuba gets invaded I guess I'll be joining an internationalist brigade.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

We've wanted to get rid of Castro for decades now, this is nothing new. We're roughly one year away from the presidential election. He's just trying to sure up the Cuban vote in Florida. I doubt we'll be seeing another Bay of Pigs or anything....

[The One and Only...]

You might want to find other sources for the speech. Micheal Moore is known for taking things out of context and whopping them together.

[FS]

I "like" how he put "President" in "quotations."

[El Blanco]

I like how bowling for Columbine was a "documentary". I like how he tells the "truth".

[mburbank]

I "like" "Ice Cream."

The rose garden quotes are correct. I'd already reaad them elsewhere. I agree with Kev, this is the flordia vote and little else.

However; I wonder how we would react to say, China making an ofdficial state announcement that they were actively planning the United States transition to Communism, and that there minister of state had been appointed to head up a commity to work on it.

[Zhukov]

http://www.cubanet.org/CNews/y03/oct03/10e8.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s964687.htm
http://www.lanuevacuba.com/nuevacuba...03-10-1131.htm


I like it how Zhukov swooped in and saved the day with all these links that have nothing to do with "Mike Moore".

"A good soul in America who wants to be a tourist goes to a foreign-owned resort, pays the hotel bill -- that money goes to the government. The government, in turn, pays the workers a pittance in worthless pesos and keeps the hard currency to prop up the dictator and his cronies. " - George W Zeb by proxy.

"Cuba has a proud history of fighting for freedom, and that fight goes on." - Never has George Bush spoken truer words.

Kevin hit the nail on the head. With all the talk of improving workers rights, Bush may even get some union votes too.

[VinceZeb]

If Communism is being showed for the idiotic and flawed system that it is, Zhukov will be there.

[Zhukov]

You need to take a remedial English class!

[VinceZeb]

This a message board, not a thesis paper.

Please remember that.

[Zhukov]

Your quip was inane anyway. Why would I automaticaly be anywhere that Communism is being shown as idiotic? Are you saying that if George invaded Cuba that would prove Communism is a flawed system? What do you mean?

You don't even know what Communism is you onion.

[The_Rorschach]

Christ Burbank, you made me laugh so hard I almost had an asthmatic fit.

Thanks

[El Blanco]

Originally Posted by mburbank

However; I wonder how we would react to say, China making an ofdficial state announcement that they were actively planning the United States transition to Communism, and that there minister of state had been appointed to head up a commity to work on it.

They don't already?

[Zhukov]

No they don't. That is why they aren't communists.

[El Blanco]

That has nothing to do with communism. It has to do with them being a really strong nation we aren't buddy-buddy with right now.

[Zhukov]

It does to an extent. I should have said: "That is another reason on a whole big heap of reasons why they aren't or ever were Communist".

EDIT: they can't convert the USA communist if they aren't.

[El Blanco]

But, if they formed a council to figure it out, how does that contradict your version of communism?

[Zhukov]

My version? Ha.

True, there is nothing stoping the Chinese govt form setting up such a council. If it based the USA attempt on China, it wouldn't be Communist, and since it is set up by govt - it is not commie either. But I only relate to Maxs' statement through words, if that makes sense.

What I am trying to say is that all Socialist states MUST expand revolutions to a global scale. China NOT having such ideas is yet ANOTHER reason why they aren't a Socialist state.

[El Blanco]

Yes, your defenition. Everybody I have come across, from professors, to writers, to protestors, all have different defenitions.

What I am trying to say is that all Socialist states MUST expand revolutions to a global scale. China NOT having such ideas is yet ANOTHER reason why they aren't a Socialist state.

China tried that before. They realized it ain't gonna happen through military force, so they have been trying alternative methods for a while. Look at Africa.

[mburbank]

Vinthy: why does Zhuk need to remeber? You're the one who indtroduced the idea that some posters need remedial English. He;s just mocking you and pointing the irony of you challenging anyon'es intelligence in any way.

Hey, here's another key difference between a message board and a thesis. When Vinth posts on a message board it's only coincidence if a college professor laughs until they wet themselves.

[Zhukov]

Blanco, you said "version". Of course people are going to dissagreee on definitions descriptions, especially from non marxists/stalinists etc. that doesn't mean Communism is different to what it has always been. Even the Maoists and Stalinists agree to that. I thought you were taking the piss anyway, so it doesn't matter.

As for Chinas policies, petty imperialism does not count as genuine sincerity in backing a revolution. China spreading revolutions around is about as true as George Bush spreading Democray around. Yes, China backed N korea, Vietnam - but for the same reasons Stalin wanted Eatern Europe to be incorporated into the USSR.

As for Africa, Angola only springs to my mind. The regime in China because of its national-based (as opposed to ideologically-based) opposition to Stalinist USSR ended up on the same side as imperialist USA in the Angola liberation war. while the USSR supported the MPLA (which went on to take power), the US and China supported both the FNLA and then UNITA. UNITA was a so-called Maoist guerrilla group and at the same time the main basis for reactionary forces against the new MPLA government after 1975, and they were supported by China, the US and racist South Africa. Hardly revolutionary.

Another example of the madness of "socialism in one country" that both Mao and Stalin stood for; and the lack of a serious political basis for the sino-soviet split. The USSR-China rivalry also led China to have links with Pinochet's Chile, Zia ul-Haq's Pakistan, and so on.

Also, if China had ever seriously backed the Maoist guerilla war in Nepal, they would have power by now.