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Old Mar 1st, 2009, 11:33 PM       
Christianity is the main target because we live in a predominantly Christian society. If atheism or Islam were dominant, then they would get more venom.
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Then why is gay marriage is now illegal in California? Why did the Mormon church spend millions of dollars trying to get Prop 8 passed?
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Old Mar 1st, 2009, 11:34 PM       
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Then why is gay marriage is now illegal in California?
When we went to vote, we had to choose between legalizing medical marijuana, or gay marriage. We couldn't have both.
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Old Mar 1st, 2009, 11:41 PM       
we shold legalize marijuana and gay marriage, and I dislike Mormonism. It is utterly ridiculous.

Christianity's last bastion is 'gay marriage,' and that has already ended in several states, including one point in california. Surely you see the absurdity of criticizing Christianity when the majority of Christians seem to not care that much about gay marriage and they rely on a ridiculous, cult-like sect to raise money.

I criticize the power structure which only includes such watered down, superficial Christians that it is merely playing to the lowest common denominator.

Obama the "Christian" invites gay Bishops to his inauguration parties... The Bible is pretty clear on its stance concerning homosexuality. If I were a Christian, I would call Obama out on this.

He's a hypocrite and an idiot playing the organ for the dumb masses happy to be spoonfed; and he played it well, appealing to intellectuals through his blackness and general liberalism; appealing to the ignorant by talking about jobs and straddling the fence just enough to convince them "he's a good guy, a Christian!"
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Old Mar 1st, 2009, 11:47 PM       
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Surely you see the absurdity of criticizing Christianity when the majority of Christians seem to not care that much about gay marriage and they rely on a ridiculous, cult-like sect to raise money.
So the Mormon's aren't true Christians? A fine example of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman
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So you can't be a Christian unless you follow your narrow interpretation of the Bible? Tell me, do you also regard self-identified Christians as hypocrites if they don't keep kosher?
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Old Mar 1st, 2009, 11:53 PM       
The reason Christianity is picked on is because it's one of the largest religions in the world. It's like how whenever a huge craze comes up (Pokemon, D&D, etc), there are people who make fun of it and people who complain how it's harmful, useless, ruining the youth, etc.

If something's so big, of course there's going to be criticism. You can't expect something to be universally popular.

No religions should be the object of ridicule or scorn in my opinion. It's the people in the religion who do the stuff we pick on, not the religion itself.
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Christianity's last bastion is 'gay marriage,' and that has already ended in several states, including one point in california. Surely you see the absurdity of criticizing Christianity when the majority of Christians seem to not care that much about gay marriage and they rely on a ridiculous, cult-like sect to raise money.
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Why would you want christians to call him on it? You just said that most of them don't care that much about gay marriage.

It sounds like you want them to have a problem with gay marriage. If that happened, it would provide an answer to the title of this thread.
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Why shouldn't Christianity be the "main target" of atheist derision? And what makes LDS more ridiculous than anything else?
I do not think that it should have to be explained why LDS is ridiculous. Do a small amount of research and if you disagree with me I will laugh at you.

Christianity should not be the main target because Islam is far more sick and laughable.

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So the Mormon's aren't true Christians? A fine example of the "no true Scotsman" fallacy. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_scotsman


So you can't be a Christian unless you follow your narrow interpretation of the Bible? Tell me, do you also regard self-identified Christians as hypocrites if they don't keep kosher?
Well, you know that dietary laws were pretty much overturned by Christ, don't you?

And you know that Mormons follow a secondary book that is absurd, don't you?

I am not one to judge the measure of Christianity but I am also not the one who is going to include strange, polygamist cults as Christian.

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It's not even that complicated. Christians are the most annoying to non-Christians.
And what are Muslims?

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The reason Christianity is picked on is because it's one of the largest religions in the world. It's like how whenever a huge craze comes up (Pokemon, D&D, etc), there are people who make fun of it and people who complain how it's harmful, useless, ruining the youth, etc.

If something's so big, of course there's going to be criticism. You can't expect something to be universally popular.

No religions should be the object of ridicule or scorn in my opinion. It's the people in the religion who do the stuff we pick on, not the religion itself.
Islam is about as big as Christianity, as I remember.

Your last statement is generally fair, by the way.

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Why would you want christians to call him on it? You just said that most of them don't care that much about gay marriage.

It sounds like you want them to have a problem with gay marriage. If that happened, it would provide an answer to the title of this thread.
I want people to call him onit because I hate the way politicians pose for religion, and more than that, I hate Barack Obama and the DNC; I strongly dislike all of the Republicans as well.

I think these people should have no power -- let alone power over our goddamned economy.
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Old Mar 2nd, 2009, 11:57 AM       
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Well, you know that dietary laws were pretty much overturned by Christ, don't you?

And you know that Mormons follow a secondary book that is absurd, don't you?

I am not one to judge the measure of Christianity but I am also not the one who is going to include strange, polygamist cults as Christian.
Who gives a shit? For someone who isn't a Christian, you certainly have your panties in a knot over who is and who isn't. And by the way, the mainstream LDS hasn't practiced polygamy in over 100 years, not that it contradicts the Bible to do so.
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Old Mar 1st, 2009, 11:43 PM       
Why shouldn't Christianity be the "main target" of atheist derision? And what makes LDS more ridiculous than anything else?
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Old Mar 1st, 2009, 11:50 PM       
It's not even that complicated. Christians are the most annoying to non-Christians.
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Old Mar 2nd, 2009, 05:17 AM       
I think you'll find that a lot of people that are outspoken about atheism (Dawkins, Hitchins, etc.) say that all religions are bullshit, but pay special attention to Christianity because it has the most effect on their daily lives.
If Muslims tried to impose their beliefs on US/UK schools/politics/whatever you can bet that it would be shot down in two seconds (possibly not so in England but we're working on it). The fact that Christian values are taken so seriously in, for example, politics really annoys people because of the whole church/state separation thing.

There is also the fact that criticising Islam is far more likely to get you a letter bomb though the mail box, which may put some people off.
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Right. I really can't see how your whole "Islam isn't nearly as targeted" thing works when there're people after September 11th who have taken on the "only good Muslim is a dead Muslim" idea. Which, I think, is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are the only three religions in the world who worship one God (the rest are polythesitic). They started in the same area and have the same people in their religions.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2009, 03:26 AM       
found it, Zelda:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cao_Dai

It is interesting, and monotheist.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2009, 09:21 AM       
Ah, thank you! Looks like that's a newer one (my classes covered the older religions, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Shintoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, those ones), so that'd probably be why I missed it.
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Yeah, I am not even sure how I came to know of this... I just remembered hearing about it once.
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Somewhere in the world im sure there's another obscure religious sect that is monotheistic Reading about Cao Dai its extremely clear that its basically derived from buddhists which were converted to christianity and became an amalgam of many religions.

really it seems more like its pantheistic (panentheism? whatever) than monotheistic. *shrug* You could argue that hinduism is monotheistic, and some people do believe it is monotheistic. You could in a sense say the same about buddhism...

People talk shit on islam all the time. Except that, Islam has hella bigger issues. Their treatment of women, for example. Its crazy to even imagine somebody saying that people don't make a big deal out of Islam ;\
Most of the people I know consider islamic countries like third world countries or something. Maybe that's part of the reason: these countries are just seen as medieval. And really, their problems aren't really that relevant to our own. Although, we've made them ours, haven't we? We've been trying to democratize them for the last few years. Tons of people make a huge issue out of trying to make it less rigid over there. Again: there's just more important issues with these other countries. We couldn't even get started on "Gay rights." I mean, are there really "Rights" in the modern sense of the word in Islamic countries?
tyrrany is pretty much targetted world-wide, but what can we really do about chinese tyranny in america? Our arguments have no affect on it. Neither does our attention. Not only that, but their problems are irrelevant to our own, and we aren't going to advance our culture by focusing on their failures.

Also you're an idiot. Christianity isn't "The main target." It might be at the focal point for issues IN AMERICA about Gay rights (or god in the classroom or any numerous other religious issues), but that's because america is a predominantly christian nation. With a predominantly christian heritage. And most of the people pushing for no gay marriage (or other religious based ideas) are christian, not islamic. So why would they be targeted? What the fuck do we have to include every obscure religion which is against gay marriage into our condemnation -- even when its not relevant to the problem? Most people don't even know which religions are against it.

Also, most of the atheists in this country, and other christian nations, probably used to be christian. So they have angst. Not only that, but most people probably don't even know shit about islam other than that its where terrorists come from and they are medieval asshats. Also its usually christians that target the atheists (in america).

Also I'm pretty sure Islam is the largest religion in the world.

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Yea, and most of the reason why they are freest is because they move away from christian religious values.

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I think this pretty much sums it up. Less islamic/judaic people are trying to force their religious values down other people's throats. Christianity gets the limelight, simply because, in america, they are in the limelight. It all has to do with proximity.
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Old Mar 3rd, 2009, 06:27 PM       
The reason gay-marriage is such an issue is that it is sort of a turning point. Cause then polygamists would have ammo for their cause, then who knows what from there. There is but 1 solution to stop this. Abolish Marriage As A State Institution. Think about it, it makes sense. Call it the Domestic Mutually Assured Destruction policy.

Interesting fact : The Crusades only killed about 1.5 million people on each side. But many people believe it to be 45 million+ for some reason. The population of Europe wasn't even 35 million in 1300. However, the Black Plague cut that in half by 1450.
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Also gay marriage isnt the last bastion. What about abortion?

The other night i saw a huge anti-abortion gathering. They bought the building across the street from the abortion clinic and named it something like, "FAMILY PLANNING" or some shit and they entice people to come inside (not knowing its an anti-abortion place) and then they bombard them with anti-abortion pamphlets and pictures of aborted third trimester fetuses. They also harass women going in to have abortions.

the church across the street sets up crosses for ALL THE ABORTED BABIES. *shrug*
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They should just let polygamists get married, too.
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Somewhere in the world im sure there's another obscure religious sect that is monotheistic Reading about Cao Dai its extremely clear that its basically derived from buddhists which were converted to christianity and became an amalgam of many religions.

really it seems more like its pantheistic (panentheism? whatever) than monotheistic. *shrug* You could argue that hinduism is monotheistic, and some people do believe it is monotheistic. You could in a sense say the same about buddhism...
Yeah, I heard that and thought of mentioning monotheism for Hinduism. I once read some fo that Hare Krsna shit. It was OK.

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Yeah, you're a fucking douche.

It is funny how you try to play this off.

You act like the world is only as big as the West.

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And you're a closed minded prick who has never ventured out of his fucking backyard, you fucking clown.

I am sorry I do not live in fucking douche-baggia who thinks it is an issue that Christians keep their dying campaigns going, represented by a vocal minority.

Christianity has been largely divorced from civil society for a long time... Why would it even be a target or even worth discussing?

The Muslims are already fucking shit up in Europe, bro. Do you live there? Or in America?

(and they've been fucking south Asia longer)

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Also gay marriage isnt the last bastion. What about abortion?

The other night i saw a huge anti-abortion gathering. They bought the building across the street from the abortion clinic and named it something like, "FAMILY PLANNING" or some shit and they entice people to come inside (not knowing its an anti-abortion place) and then they bombard them with anti-abortion pamphlets and pictures of aborted third trimester fetuses. They also harass women going in to have abortions.

the church across the street sets up crosses for ALL THE ABORTED BABIES. *shrug*
So they have a fun time wasting their money.

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The reason gay-marriage is such an issue is that it is sort of a turning point. Cause then polygamists would have ammo for their cause, then who knows what from there. There is but 1 solution to stop this. Abolish Marriage As A State Institution. Think about it, it makes sense. Call it the Domestic Mutually Assured Destruction policy.

Interesting fact : The Crusades only killed about 1.5 million people on each side. But many people believe it to be 45 million+ for some reason. The population of Europe wasn't even 35 million in 1300. However, the Black Plague cut that in half by 1450.
I agree with everythign said here.

You shoudl also add "abolish the majority of the government; deregulate everything; cut off Hollywood actor's heads and massacre MTV."

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Yea? Is christianity a huge target of atheists and pro gay marriage folk in non-western countries?

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Prop 8 was passed in california. Not much of a dying campaign. Bush got voted into office largely because everybody wanted a MORAL person in office.
Being christian is always a big issue during election times...

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You're the one who said it was their last bastion or whatever.

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