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Old Sep 26th, 2003, 04:09 PM       
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Our country is not fully Lockean in principle, that is for sure. However its not fully liberal, or conservative, or republican, or democratic. Thats our jobs. We are supposed to take stands as citizens of our country. Its my duty to uphold what I believe in because I believe in it.
This is actually a bit wrong. Even our conservatives, as some scholars have pointed out, are essentially conservative about their liberalism. We are a VERY experimental, and in a sense radical country. Conservatism of the Edmund Burke sense was different than that of the modern American kind. Sure, conservatives are stereotypically "reactionary," but they are so un defense of a nation that was truly radical in its premise. So the argument that conservatism is inherently "American," IMO, is dead wrong.
Um... did you even read what I wrote? Whats this about conservatism? I never specified any way of thinking so why are you acting as if I said the country is Conservative? Seriously, did you read what I wrote??

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This is yet another fallacy perpetuated by the Libertarian boogey men. Social Security, for the little it gives, has been a consistent return investment, which has still aided in raising living standards for the elderly and retired. Were they to invest in private firms, this guarantee would not be there. SS can and will even out, but we need to re-prioritize our tax system, ie. taxing the people who have the money.
There are two ways SS can exist when I am of age to recieve my returns:

1. MASSIVE taxing.
2.MASSIVE reductions in benifits.

Both of these mean I will not see the same amount of money that I put into it. Taxpayer money would better be left in their own hands to invest as they please.

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And there ae numerous reasons why you wouldn't want a privately motivated interest to do this, such as unfair mailing, compared to the fair and reliable system we have. Our libraries are one of the few things all politicians can agree on, and tend to consistently grant funding for, yet you seem to think allowing a private motive to have reign over public access to knowledge is a GOOD thing....
I could argue all day about which is more "fair" and "reliable", but thats all relative and fairly unprovable. Libraries will always exist unless we go to some effort to make them illegal. On a somewhat related note, Libraries are becoming somewhat antiquated with the invention of the Internet, which I would think most agree needs to stay completely out of the hands of the government.

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And were this country to accept your theory, millions of Americans would to this day still be denied the right that is education....
No, they'd be denied the right to the Prussian Militarized style of education that is our public system. I encourage individual learning and privatized schooling.


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