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Old Oct 15th, 2003, 01:26 PM       
two points: the nitpicking is still there on most of the anti-bowling sites.. yes i'm asserting this without going down the list because the site is asserting the movie has been completely discredited based on minor points..

the speech again..

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No. He took speeches from 3 different occasions and cut out and glued together certain parts and then told the viewers that they were the same speech given in Denver
if you went to listen to heston at an nra rally on the west coast in 1999 say, then went to thier rally on the east coast the message would be very similar.. the splices say to me that the speech was just like so many other that he made without a change despite the shootings. NOT a direct falsefication to say a completely different message.

so i still don't think it discredits or changes the nra's stance at the time much. i'm sure there were even members at those rallies that were clamoring for the same message moore was passing along, granted a minority though.

nra and kkk? i'll have to take your word on it
i really had been discussing that with folks i know
and no one could say either way :/

did the membership jump at that time?

id rather give them the benefit of the doubt than take moores movie as stated.. i don't want to live in that kind of paranoia,
it would suck too much if moore was right on that one.. plus i've got enough nasty things to look into

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how many lies does it take to discredit a film?

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When its a documentary? One.
hmm, depends.. i'd agree that the cartoon segment was discredited by its simplifications and that alone sends the movie completely out of what is considered documentary.
i'd have to look at case by case facts to judge whether a whole movie is discredited by x amount of times and where.

damnit i'm going to have to sit with a notepad next time i see the movie.

still a movie/documentary has a thesis then a case to make.
add it up how you like, i think he made his case well in most parts.
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