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Originally Posted by The One and Only...
- Dean is all over socialized healthcare.
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As were the Clintons, as well as past Democratic candidates. Republicans such as Eisenhower even supported expansive Medicare-like coverage for Americans. And our current president, Mr. Bush, plans to expand the already largest healthcare system in
cost to the elderly. Nationalized healthcare is a norm in every other industrialized nation, so calling it a staple of international socialist ambition is just stupid on your part, OAO.
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- Dean supports repealing the Bush tax cuts to fund the above, Social Security, and "investments in job creation" i.e. more government job. Dean is not dumb enough to think that repealing those tax cuts would fund all of this, but that is his claim.
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Progressive taxation was supported by all sorts, from Adam Smith onward. Even if your assertions of a Dean "New Deal" program were accurate, which they aren't, this would hardly justify calling the man a Socialist, unless viewed through the lense of a fringe free market radical.
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- Dean wants more expensive public schooling, including "broader access" higher education. Dean also wants lighter testing because it is "unfair" to poorer school districts.
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And the point is? He's a socialist because he supports public schools? You need to stop readin lp.org OAO, seriously....
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- Dean supports (here's the big one) big labor like no other. I quote this from Dean's website:
"Right now there are no serious consequences if an employer ignores a newly formed union. There should be meaningful financial penalties available to federal regulators when an employer fails to negotiate in good faith with a union."
That, my friends, combined with Dean's natural tendency to intervene in what should be economic affairs, makes Dean a socialist.
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Yet all of the unions are supporting Gephardt. :/ He must be a Socialist, too.
You guys are hysterical....
This is a governor who made fiscal conservatism when balancing the Vermont state budget a key aspect of his time in office. He quickly and privately signed a state gay unions bill, when a full gay marriage proposal was popularly being pushed. He has gone on record as saying that he would not touch defense spending as president, and would maintain funding for the unproven, hocus-pokus "Star Wars" missile shield program. He has flip flopped on the war, first saying it was totally immoral, and then saying it was wrong to go without a UN resolution. He is widely considered by many in Left-Wing Vermont to be a flat out
Conservative, and people in Vermont think it's a lark that a guy who gets big money from AOL-TTime Warner and opposes legalizing marijuana for medical purposes has been compared to McGovern, or even more ridiculous, a Socialist.
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Remember, socialism can mean "the stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved." Dean's submit-to-union tactic certainly is getting there, though.
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FDR could be called, and has been called a Socialist on similar grounds. Ask a real Commie what they think of FDR, though. During the Great Depression, the North Country of New York State was bursting with talk of Socialist rebellion due to the horrid poverty. Your theory that an activist government implies Marxist leaning is silly, because every level of government intervention seems Socialistic to someone who wants everything privatized, from police to proms.
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