Why socialism could not work even with virtuous men.

[kellychaos]

Originally Posted by Zhukov

So, Kelly, surely you aren't saying that "Supply and Demand" and the 'american spirit' are hard-coded into the human genome? Right?

It would be a bit hard for people during the feudal ages to live up to these desires.

All I'm saying is to take into account that there is much sociology involved in the stock market and the economic trends of a given country as there is knowledge of finance and mathematics and that the characteristics of a "free market society" more closely follow human nature. I'm not saying this as an absolute but just generally speaking. The "feudal ages" are much closer to a free market society than either communism or socialism. He who has the army and resources wins. That being so, these winners surely must have been under God's grace ... or so they believed.

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Communism isn't about running off into the forest and finding enlightment and being at peace with your fellow man, it is about taking our own futures into our own hands.

The problem isn't in the theory but with the bureacratic machine that is sure to follow and become corrupt. Of course, the same can be said of most forms of government.

Originally Posted by Zhukov

What about people that are that altruistic? Are they not human? People where I live are generaly nice people who are willing to help etc, this may not be the case in the US or other places, but it doesn't have to be like this.

In general, I meant.

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Gaining peoples trust and nationalism are just some of the ways they stay in power, but it is not how they came into power - the stalinites are more than this. I am fine with "just communism turned into a dictatorship", for the moment though.

I'm saying that government's like communism are, when combined with a heavy nationalistic bent, more susceptible to dictactorship. Control the resources and media and you make mass brainwash an easy option especially when the general public is isolated from outside influence. It's how cults work as well.

Originally Posted by Zhukov

Which one? What happenend?

German Worker's Party was initially socialist. Hitler was a member of that party when he made chancellor.