Max has really disgusted me.

[ziggytrix]

Can too!

[Protoclown]

Yeah!

[The One and Only...]

Originally Posted by Helm

As if there's some other sort ?... I do not see how you were confused.

There are three main forms of hedonism: egoism, utilitarianism, and altruism.

Egoism is a doctrine that says it is moral to try to maximize your pleasure.

Utilitarianism is a doctrine that says it is moral to try to maximize the pleasure of everyone.

Altruism is a doctrine that says it is moral to try to maximize the pleasure of others.

The distinction between utilitarians and altruists is major, because utilitarians always count themselves as one.

Plato, while having a large impact on idealism, was not an idealist at all. Idealism's true progenator was Berkley. Idealism is necessarily a monistic view which claims that all reality is mental. Definition of idealism.

[Protoclown]

Seriously, dude. Get a girlfriend.

Or hell, just a friend.

[Buffalo Tom]

Originally Posted by Protoclown

Seriously, dude. Get a girlfriend.

Or hell, just a friend.

I get the feeling he looks and dresses like George Will. Weenie.

[Helm]

Please do not post philosophical definitions you found on dictionary.com. Dictionary.com provides uses of words. Which are not always corect.

From the same site:

2. Persuit of one's ideals

Not right.

Why don't you consult your philosophical dictionary? Or get one?

As to Plato I strongly urge you to actually read at least some of his dialogues (I suggest Politia for some of the best and worst of his work) before telling me he's not an idealist.

Obviously modern idealism has progressed (or fractioned, as many would say) into various forms.

Edit: slash

[Zhukov]

Please do not post philosophical definitions you found on dictionary.com. Dictionary.com provides uses of words. Which are not always corect.

In one ear and out the other...

[The One and Only...]

Why don't you consult your philosophical dictionary? Or get one?

From my college-level philosophy course textbook:

Idealism: In metaphysics, the theory that all reality consists of mind and its ideas.

Plato: (427-347 B.C.) The first great systematic or synoptic philosopher whose work survives in real quantity, propounder of transcendent Forms (or essences) as the absolute realities which are imperfectly mirrored by things in the sensible world and are known through the intellect alone.

Note the very, very, very major differences in idealism and Plato's philosophy.

[Brandon]

Originally Posted by The One and Only...

From my college-level philosophy course textbook:

Idealism: In metaphysics, the theory that all reality consists of mind and its ideas.

Plato: (427-347 B.C.) The first great systematic or synoptic philosopher whose work survives in real quantity, propounder of transcendent Forms (or essences) as the absolute realities which are imperfectly mirrored by things in the sensible world and are known through the intellect alone.

Note the very, very, very major differences in idealism and Plato's philosophy.

Plato was the FOUNDER of Idealism, you shmuck. And I don't really see the major differences in the two definitions, either.

[The One and Only...]

(Bashes head against wall repeatedly)

[Supafly345]

Originally Posted by The One and Only...

Note the very, very, very major differences in idealism and Plato's philosophy.

How about you note them first. Just because you stuck two texts from your college-level book side by side doesn't mean you have made a point.

But Plato wasn't an idealist, to the best of my knowledge. I remember Marx (Marks?) was. But I don't remember similarities between them.

Plus this is stupid and I don't care.

[Helm]

Mercy! Marx was a dialectic materialist!

[AChimp]

Originally Posted by OAO

From my college-level philosophy course textbook:

I don't know whether to call you a fag or a nerd.

[The One and Only...]

I pointed out that it was college level so you wouldn't shout out crap like "STOP TAKING WORDS OUT OF DICTIONARIES!!!"

Plato did not think that that the Forms were made up of ideas themselves. He just thought that the Forms could only be known through the intellect. Thus, we see the difference.

[kahljorn]

"Look he knows what he's talking about; he must be a bigger loser than me who wastes his time actually posting intelligent shit rather than posting useless shit over and over again"

[Protoclown]

Listen One Size Fits All, you really need to stop taking words out of your college level philosophy book.

[sspadowsky]

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