Determinism Revisited

[theapportioner]

Even without determinism, the existence of free will isn't proven. Indeterminism does not equal free will - far from it. I think the jury's still out as to whether the universe is determined, but this this largely irrelevant to the discussion of free will. Forget about subatomic particles and superstrings for a moment. The more relevant question is this: is there something about our brains that would provide us with free will? Quantum fluctuations, if they exist in the brain, won't do - all that would show is there is an element of unpredictability in the brain.

OAO: That dialogue is an idiotic one and only refutes a subjective, phenomenological determinism.