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Old Apr 3rd, 2004, 09:03 AM       
I wont be able to reply to your post for a few days.

One thing stuck out though:

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Even under Marxist terms, the Jews have always been a nation
Under Marxist terms, the Jews have not "always been a nation".

In Marxist terms a nation is a historically constituted, stable community of people formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture.

None of these above characteristics by istself is sufficient to constitute a nation. If you can show me that world Jewry contains all the above, then I will take back what I said about Jews not being a nation. Until then, not only are Jews not a nation (it sounds absurd, and it is absurd) but they can not have "always been a nation". You try to state that it is "under Marxist terms" that Jews are a nation, but you are incorrect, since these very terms classify that a "nation" is not merely a category of the characteristics already pointed out, but a category that belongs to a definite epoch - the epoch of rising capitalism. The process of eliminating feudalism and developing capitalism is also the process that drags peoples into nations.
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