When will they come for me?

[ranxer]

I'm against the war, the locals in my town are calling me and my group Communists!? i have no idea where they get that idea.. I'm not much of a capitalist but as far as i know Nobody on my side of the arguement has mentioned communism.. just anti-war slogans.. oh well.. gotta keep going despite the smears. Its almost illegal for anyone of a non-white background to speak out.. it seems Professor Sami Al-Arian is one of those targetted, is there any real evidence against him?
checkout this vid http://images.indymedia.org/imc/boston/al-arian28.rm did he get too close to the truth or what? Does he seem like a terrorist supporter to you mockers?

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[Ronnie Raygun]

You do appear to be a communist. You never say anything postive about the United States, you hate a free market economy, you support our enemies. What do you expect people to call you?

[Carnivore]

Not everyone has such a narrow, ignorant definition of what an American should be as you, jackass.

[whoreable]

LOL
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[ItalianStereotype]

its no different than people from the left wing calling conservatives "fascists."

[Ronnie Raygun]

So I ignorant because I believe in capitalism as opposed to socialism? I'm ignorant because I love and support my countrymen instead of supporting our enemies? I'm ignorant because I'm not anti-American?

Maybe you should reevaluate your position.

[sspadowsky]

No, you're ignorant because you blindly accept whatever is told to you by the people in charge. You're ignorant because you focus only on our country's good qualities and you ignore the bad stuff completely. In your mind, Republicans are always right, Democrats are always wrong, America is always right even if they ignore the rules and screw other countries to protect their monetary interests, and anyone who does question our government is automatically anti-American and an enemy sympathizer. Your viewpoint is ill-informed at best, extremely one-sided, and abhorrently juvenile. That's why you're ignorant
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[Carnivore]

If I was a chick, I would totally fuck your brains out, Spad!

[Protoclown]

IF YOU ARE NOT A CAPITALIST YOU ARE A COMMUNIST BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS YOU CAN BE, OBVIOUSLY

[ranxer]

You never say anything postive about the United States, you hate a free market economy, you support our enemies. What do you expect people to call you?

can i help it if i'm speaking out in an attempt to avert disaster? War IS a disaster, the terrorist attacks that we say we are averting are an unknown. War makes them more likely.
Tell me how we will get justice, peace and democracy in iraq with a tactic of 'shock and awe' http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0127-08.htm they are leaning toward. tell me again how being against this is supporting our enemies? I'm saying that GWB is giving our terrorist enemies more credit than they deserve and playing into thier hands.. attacking iraq will validate and swell their ranks bringing more attacks from our enemies.

By saying that i think the market economy doesnt have enough human rights and environmental controls you think i have a 'hatred' for market economy? sheesh.

I think its very telling when people resort to slander, especially slander that comes from the demonization of russians decades ago.

I'm still wondering what people think about al-arian.. some floridians i talked to felt the media/government had him already convicted but without much on what exactly he is convicted of.

Sorry Ronnie, I'm having trouble looking for something to praise in America at the moment, but i praise all the diplomacy vs war people every day in my town though(when i see them), and they include Democrats, Republicans, Christians, Catholics, Jews, Buddists, Capitalists, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists, Athiests, Pagans, Veterans, Conscientious Objectors, and others.. our strength is also a weakness :/

[Protoclown]

AND THEY ARE ALL TRAITORS EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM THEY SHOULD ALL BE SHIPPED OUT ON A SMALL ISLAND SOMEWHERE AND BOMBED UNTIL THEY ARE DEAD

YOU ARE WITH US OR AGAINST US, BITCH

[Carnivore]

Could you try to be a little less respectful when speaking to Ronnnie, please? He's an ignorant, narrow-minded, pompous ass and should be addressed as such.

[Ronnie Raygun]

"No, you're ignorant because you blindly accept whatever is told to you by the people in charge."

That's not true. But even if it were I could say that you blindly disprove of everything the administration does. And then what?

"You're ignorant because you focus only on our country's good qualities and you ignore the bad stuff completely."

No I don't. But even if I did I could just say that you only focus on the negative...and then what?

"In your mind, Republicans are always right, Democrats are always wrong,"

Once again, not true BUT even if that were true I could just say that you think everything Republicans do is wrong....AND THEN WHAT?

"America is always right even if they ignore the rules and screw other countries to protect their monetary interests, and anyone who does question our government is automatically anti-American and an enemy sympathizer."

You are proving my point. You always try to drag us down. We have done far more good for this world but you fail to recognize that.

"Your viewpoint is ill-informed at best, extremely one-sided, and abhorrently juvenile. That's why you're ignorant"

And as you can see you are a hypocrite because everything you accuse me of, you do yourself.

Rank,

"can i help it if i'm speaking out in an attempt to avert disaster? War IS a disaster"

Then why don't you direct your attention to the person who can end it all by disarming?....Saddam!! You know, in all the peace rallies that I've seen on t.v. I haven't seen on sign say anything about the person who's really responsible. You choose to ignore that saddam is responsible for this mess. He he was disarmed we would not be at war with him. Disarming Saddam is how we avert disaster!!!

"tell me again how being against this is supporting our enemies?"

We'll if Saddam gets away with not disarming.....he will win and without war he will not disarm. It's that simple.

"I'm saying that GWB is giving our terrorist enemies more credit than they deserve and playing into thier hands.. attacking iraq will validate and swell their ranks bringing more attacks from our enemies."

They are going to try to attack us anyway. Look into a history book. look up Neville Chamberlin.

"By saying that i think the market economy doesnt have enough human rights and environmental controls you think i have a 'hatred' for market economy? sheesh."

That's not all you say and you know it.

"I think its very telling when people resort to slander, especially slander that comes from the demonization of russians decades ago."

Soviets Rax, Soviets.

"I'm still wondering what people think about al-arian.. some floridians i talked to felt the media/government had him already convicted but without much on what exactly he is convicted of."

We'll find out soon enough. They wouldn't have him if there wasn't anything there.

"Sorry Ronnie, I'm having trouble looking for something to praise in America at the moment,"

What else is new?

[GAsux]

Ronnie and Ranxer should have a sword fight.

[BombsBurstingInAir]

They won't bother you, even if you are a communist.

You are not worth their time. They have bigger fish to fry.

[GAsux]

Excellent point. There are much more important things to do like spout mindless partisan on internet message boards! Big fish right?

Sorry I can't talk long though. I've got to share my computer with the 400 other communists living in my facist community. Thanks for the astute observation though.

[BombsBurstingInAir]

It's been your pleasure.

[GAsux]

It certainly has. I only wish that Jesus blessed me with a mind as brilliant and competent as yours.

Oh wait, I forgot. Jesus hates homosexual communists like me. Guess that explains it.

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by Ronnie Raygun

I'm ignorant because I love and support my countrymen instead of supporting our enemies? I'm ignorant because I'm not anti-American?

Maybe you should reevaluate your position.

You just don't support the idea of their kids getting an education while they die for arm chair quartebacks such as yourself!

[BombsBurstingInAir]

be sure to use protection. I did.

[mburbank]

Naldo: You know that "Communism" has a deffinition, right? And you know it's not the same one as "Socialism"? Right? I'm just trying to figure out if your a liar.

I kniow you were talking to Sspad, but I'm guessing you couldn't tell us apart without our user pick, so pardon my response.

"I could say that you blindly disprove of everything the administration does. And then what?"

I thought it was nice he upped Aids funding for Africa. Name one W policy you disagree with.

"I could just say that you only focus on the negative...and then what? "

Freedom of speech is alive and well. What do you dislike about our country? Not the actions of citizens, our country. What do you think we, as a political entity, do wrong?

"I could just say that you think everything Republicans do is wrong" Tuff call, since when I've supported members of the republican prty you told me they weren't real republicans. Back when Republicans believed in eliminating the defficit I was all for it. Wht Democratic position in yopur voting life have you been on board with?

"And as you can see you are a hypocrite because everything you accuse me of, you do yourself."

Again, I'm not Sspad, but I don't do ANY of the things you just wrote, and I'm pretty sure neither does he. I'm offering you the chance AGAIN to say where if anywhere you differ from the party line. And none of this "I have issues" pap. If you won't say hat the issues are, that statement is like my saying "I have issues with welfare". Which, by the way, I do. But you don't know what they are.

"Then why don't you direct your attention to the person who can end it all by disarming?....Saddam!! "

Just for the sake of argument, what if he did? How would we know? Were you ever asked in school to prove a negative? I think he should disarm. I applaud the pressure the Bush administration has brought to bear. What I'm against is war, which I see not as leverage here, but the intent of the adminsitration for several months. War isn't a threat if everyone knows you are going to do it. You do recall your own sttement that the adminsitration intends to go to war with Iraq, right? That the dates were already set?

"We'll if Saddam gets away with not disarming.....he will win and without war he will not disarm. It's that simple."

Unless the administration is wrong or even LIEING about the threat they represent. Can you even imagine that possibility the way I have imagined the administration being right? Just as an excercise, try it out. I don't think you can. I think you are literally incapable of examining a viewpoint other than your own.

"They are going to try to attack us anyway. Look into a history book. look up Neville Chamberlin. "
A shallow argument provided to you whole from shallow minds. Were there sanctions against Hitlers Germany, or weapons inspections. When they invaded Poland were they driven back the way Saddam was driven from Kuwait, which by the way I supported? Was their trade limmited, were they isolated? Were no fly zones estblished? Was there military capability routinely targeted? Was there a United Nations? The situation we find ourselves in now far more parallels the begining of the first world war. You are the one who needs to read history. I doubt you could even sketch Chamberlins position beyond the word "appeasement" and I imagine you only know the name from someone elses argument.

Unlike Ranx, I find much to praise in America, even during dark and unamerican times such as these. This administration, however is an insult to the American I love. MOST of the time.

[sspadowsky]

That's not true. But even if it were I could say that you blindly disprove of everything the administration does. And then what?

That is incorrect. But the fact of the matter is, with the exception of increasing funding for AIDS treatment in Africa, I haven't found anything the administration has done or proposed lately to be anything less than morally repugnant. Vouchers for parochial schools, 24-7 surveillance without court order; you know, blatant trampling of the most fundamental elements of the Constitution. I tend to focus on the negative to try and get you to examine why you blindly believe what you believe.

No I don't. But even if I did I could just say that you only focus on the negative...and then what?

OK, tell me one single thing the Bush administration has done that you disagree with.

Once again, not true BUT even if that were true I could just say that you think everything Republicans do is wrong....AND THEN WHAT?

I've said many times that I have no party affiliation. I think they're equally full of shit, and one party is just as driven by greed and self-interest as the other. Besides, the posts you make such as "Let's see of the Dems can be consistent" pretty much speak for themselves. So again, tell me one thing, ONE ISSUE that the Republican party as a whole supports, that you disagree with.

You are proving my point. You always try to drag us down. We have done far more good for this world but you fail to recognize that.

Again, not true. We've done plenty of good things in this world. But it's not as peachy-keen and squeaky-clean as you'd like to believe, and that's what pisses me off about you. Show me a corporation that makes a donation that is not tax-deductible. You may find some, but I bet it takes a lot of digging.

Furthermore, while I love my country, I think most of what our current administration is donig is bad for us, bad for the Middle East, and probably really bad for Asia, and the people running the show could very well mark the beginning of the downfall of our country with their actions. And when I think my government's full of shit, you had goddamn well better believe I'm going to say something about it.

You show me ONE Republican policy or action that you disagree with, and I might maybe just start to take you somewhat seriously.
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[mburbank]

He has issues with the death penalty. Hard to say what they are exactly.

[FS]

It's not painful enough?

[ranxer]

well folks, some of you rock, thanks for being aware of the stack of lies this administration is mainting through a corporate media..
i hear they even have cia officials reporting news now :/

ronnie, about Saddam disarming.. im not so sure he has much of anything left.. i still agree with scott ritters assesment.. 99percent disarmed.. i thought blix backed that up. even the missles that they are destroying now are debatably in violation.. seems to me he has Mostly disarmed. the white glove treatment and the statements by the administration that disarming doesnt matter anymore show that that's not really what our administration is after.. seems its something else .. like oil and power.. not oil for us mind you, but control over the oil for power reasons.
Now i dont really care whether Bush is a republican or democrat.. its virtually irrelevant to me. I take issue with his actions.. his beliefs are scary, but only because of his actions regarding them.. a fundamentalist in the whitehouse talking about god on our side with war simply sounds like end game to me.. risk it all.. go for broke.. forget about negotiation.. its all or nothing.. and to realize this guy has been a c-d student all his school life, put almost any business he's had power in into bankruptcy but still made money, went awol, etc. i'm appauled that you can defend them with such conviction. This is not a battle of democracy vs. fascists this has been boiled down to mind control of the masses.

Oh and thanks for the reasurance bombs.. yes i'm a small fish, very small.. probly not on the radar, but its spooky anyway.. i've placed myself in defence of sami al-arian in more places than webboards so who knows.