IRAQ seems to be falling apart

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Originally Posted by punkgrrrlie10

If only Bush had waited for the UN to actually approve going into Iraq and they actually had....our troops would still be the one's over there. Do you know what the UN army is composed of? The UN isn't it's own country.

Great job. Don't you feel like you've made a point?
The UN would have sent more than just American troops over there, and I would bet an oil well or two that the Iraqi people (most specifically the ones who hung, dragged, beat, burned, rinse, repeat) would respect the UN forces, contractors, intents, and purposes a hell (or at least a hot desert) of a lot more than they do anything bearing the stars and stripes.

Originally Posted by punkgrrrlie10

Do you really think if we pulled out it wouldn't just get worse? That some dictator wouldn't just grab power and the country would be right back where we ripped it from? We caused it, of course we have to clean it up. It's called responsibility for one's actions.

You know what? Good riddance. If the (seeming) majority of the people in the country think they'd be a lot better without our soliders in their country, I'm sure as shit that we'd be a lot better in the event of the same absence of troops.
We made a mess, and now we're being yelled at to get the fuck out of the room so they can clean it up themselves. By staying there as long as we have we've just smeared the problem around a bit and added more of our own to the body count.

Originally Posted by punkgrrrlie10

And it's going to be difficult to instill the idea of democracy into a people who have been ruled by a cruel dictator where it was probably tantamount to torture or a death sentence if one were to voice opposition to the regime. I can imagine their history books being slanted towards Sadaam's version of history just as ours do to our own. It's very early in the game; it takes along time to develop a system of gov't. Our first constitution, the Articles dismally failed but it still took a couple years to do so and the country was on the brink of collapse for a very long time right after the revolution. I say expecting a working gov't in 1 year is a pretty big order. Sadly, the only people who can speak up in Iraq, are the one's that have no qualms about bombing contractors/civilians b/c they've never been afraid to die for their causes anyway. Of course we don't wanna die for another country, but our war chief was elected to be in charge of our army and this is what he's done.

Look, the mess regarding Democracy isn't ours, or Saddam's fault. It's the region and its thousands of years nomadic, tribal tendencies. Power is the blade of a sword (or, more aptly, the largest explosive you can strap to your torso and still stand upright) and there's no way to erase that mentality. The best we can hope to accomplish is prop up a mediocre democracy, secretly fund a terrorist attack against it, and use it as an excuse for another war. This is America we're talking about.

Originally Posted by ArtificialBrandon

There's no way we're going to get out of this mess without either looking like bad guys or cowards.

So, subdue resistance with maximum force or flee? What's it going to be, folks?

I'll take the latter and a side of freedom fries, please.