Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band

[Rongi]

I got it for easter from my friend. It's a really great CD but it didn't deserve best cd ever . I love 'For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite".

[FartinMowler]

When I was in High school my dad bought me a $500 Datsun 510 that actually had a 8 track with a copy of Sgt Peppers stuck in it. I couldn't listen to it for years after but now that I look back I'm glad it wasn't something else

[Bobo Adobo]

Originally Posted by Rongi

It's a really great CD but it didn't deserve best cd ever . I love 'For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite".

Quit wasting your time reading the "greatest of all time" articles from the Rolling Stone, or any main stream music magazine. You will end up like Royal. There writers and editors just as stupid as the record companies that shovel the shit that you hear on the radio.

Good album, but IMO it has nothing on revolver.

[Royal Tenenbaum]

It's definitely one of the greatest albums ever. It revolutionized a lot of production techniques, and every single song is excellent. It's not my favourite album, or even my favourite Beatles album, but if you aren't a retard that listens to jam-bands you'll definitely love it.

[iron mitchell]

it's my favorite beatles album.

[Bobo Adobo]

Originally Posted by Royal Tenenbaum

but if you aren't a retard that listens to jam-bands you'll definitely love it.

I am a retard that listens to jam-bands, and I love it.

You know, some people know that there is just a little more to appreciating good music than sitting around waiting for the next great album. Maybe someday you'll discover it, but I doubt it.

[Drew Katsikas]

Someday, you will realize that the craft of a pop song is alot better than masterbating your fucking intruments for far longer than necessary.

[Bobo Adobo]

Someday, Paul McCartney himself will slap you silly for saying such a statment.

Someday, you will learn to listen to music, and not just hear the message. Or maybe you won't, it takes something called an artistic perspective and an attention span.

Someday, you find out that there would be no such thing as the "craft" of a pop song if wasn't for the virtuoso musicians and composers that masterbated thier instruments and expirimented with such things as form, Harmony, Dynamics and Song Structure.

Someday, You actually might learn to understand the Improvising musician, instead of making fun of him because you are dissapointed that you pocess no such musical ability.

Someday.

Edit - What the fuck bothers people when the hear musicians play solos with there instruments for more than 10 seconds? Do you so called "music lovers" even like music? What turns you off to the virtuoso musician? Why does it disappoint you? And since when is it possible to play an intrument for too long? Does music have to be simple, catchy and to the point for you to like it?

Do you think that being a talented musician is some simple thing that anyone can learn to do?

It just makes me sick.

Drew, you should lock yourself in a dark room with only a stereo. Make sure there are no distractions. Than play one of Bach's 40 minute Harpsichord or Organ solos. Be careful though, Your head might explode.

[Dole]

Solos are, for the most part, incredibly dull to listen to. I don't listen to music to marvel at someone's technical ability, I listen to music that is designed to entertain me.

Rongi: go get the other two albums that were being recorded at abbey road at the same time as sgt peppers:
Pink Floyd - Piper at the gates of dawn (the ONLY good Pink Floyd album)
Pretty Things - SF sorrow.

Both amazing.

[Drew Katsikas]

I don't care what Paul McCartney thinks, Bobo. I just don't like long-winded intrumentals without some kind of direction other than being "chill" and "difficult"

Dole, hell yeah. Gotta Love Piper, and it really did suck after that.

EDIT: And solos aren't bad. Check out the Bad Brains. Quick songs with a purpose, but great solos that are fairly long. Or I Heard Her Call My Name, the most insane use of feedback and soloing ever.

[Black Flag]

fake bobo - for someone who claims to love music you have a pretty weak grasp on the reality that taste in music and what's good and what isn't is completely objective and what you think about it isn't fact, just your silly little opinion.

ps...jam bands suck and you are dumb

[Bobo Adobo]

Yes I know, fake Black Flag, Taste in music is SUBjective. I just think its odd that people actually bitch about a band because there songs are too long. And that they really get into there solos. I could see how it could get boring to some, but I just don;t think those people trully understand the music. They just take it for what it is, a song without words. When I see good musicians get into a jam or a song, I find that very entertaining. I guess that makes me less intellectual than most of todays music lovers.:/

Ps...Its nice to see you jump on the bandwagon.

Drew, You should get into jazz or any Romantic/Classical period music you would realize that long winded instrumentals can be alot more than chill and difficult. Music can convey just as much emotion and tell a story as words can.

And I use to listen to Bad Brains and still maintain a soft spot for them.

[Royal Tenenbaum]

The only band that has solos worth a damn is Weezer. They all mimic exactly what was sung, it's great.

[Drew Katsikas]

Originally Posted by Bobo Adobo

Drew, You should get into jazz or any Romantic/Classical period music you would realize that long winded instrumentals can be alot more than chill and difficult. Music can convey just as much emotion and tell a story as words can.

I like jazz. It has a point. There are REAL emotions conveyed in the works of Miles Davis and Mingus, among others.

Lyrics in music are essentialy throwaway, to me. Sometimes they're important, but I'm more concerned with the emotion or meaning in a song. A cool riff that is played for 15 minutes, with every player getting their solo, expresses nothing except showmanship. When Phish covers "Rock N' Roll," the song loses it's meaning once they begin to go into their solos. A good 4 minute song becomes a 20 minute mess that's lost it's point.

Phish and the Dead, and other bands my jam loving friends have played me that I dont remember the names of, have no real point. They just noodle. It doesn't go anywhere, and can only be continually enjoyed if you like watching people show off. Their songs are just a set up for solos. Granted, it can be cool, once in awhile. I like hearing the stuff sometimes. However, there comes a point where it's not something you want to listen to often. It doesn't have the worth that other stuff does, that's more focused.

[Cap'n Crunch]

Isn't the point of music about listening to the instruments and the sounds made? ANYONE can make up some bullshit lyrics.

[Bobo Adobo]

Define "noodle". :/

I don't listen to Phish, but I like Treys playing. Sometimes I too think they get carried away. But you almost have to see Trey to understand him. His playing conveys so much REAL emotion it makes you think hes lost his mind or just taking too much acid.

Im not sure if your a musician or not. But most people I know who are soloing musicians an composers never think about wowing the audience/listener with technicle ability. There is always a reason a note is played. Its not as black and white as you think. It is straight up impossible for music to played or composed or improvised without any real emotion.

Thats why a lot of people think Jerry was probably the best rocj improvising guitarist. If you listened to alot of Jerry, You can actually tell what Jerry's thinking and what phsycological changes he went through from just listening to them. None of his playing was ever pointless. He also had the ability to be more focused and write classic songs like Box of Rain, Dire Wolf, and West L.A. Fadeaway with Robert Hunter.

The reason most songs today are only four-five minutes is because of the recording/radio industry. Before that a song that was less than 5-6 minutes wasn't even called a song, just a minature/minuet. Most Bands, no matter what genre, that I see always play longer versions of there songs. Just because they can.

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Either way, Sgt. Pepper blows any jam band bullshit away so fucking hard.

[Bobo Adobo]

The Beatles also blowed as a live band so fucking hard.

Well they might have been good if you could hear them over they screaming girls.

Plus any Beatles album blows mostly anything way so fucking hard. Mainly because the recording engineer(i forget his name, the guy who just won the lifetime acheivement award) wrote the book on recording a good album.

[Royal Tenenbaum]

yeah, it was the engineering. lol. it was the freaking songs! if engineering made a good album, linkin park would be on of the greatest bands ever.

[Bobo Adobo]

No it wasn't just the "engineering". Richard Lush had a great impact on the Beatles sound, mixing and helped produce many of there albums. He is a pioneer in the recording industry who just got the credit he trully deserved. He helped the Beatles reach there full potential in the studio.

[Royal Tenenbaum]

Richard Lush was the second engineer on Sgt. Pepper and that's it from what I can tell. Most of the techniques employed where started with Rubber Soul and Revolver and then just taken to a another level. I would credit him as being a major reason, although I will give him credit. It could have been done without him, either way.

edit: Also, he did do Plastic Ono Band, and that is one of the finest albums ever made, so I have to give him credit for that as well.

[Drew Katsikas]

Originally Posted by Bobo Adobo

Im not sure if your a musician or not. But most people I know who are soloing musicians an composers never think about wowing the audience/listener with technicle ability. There is always a reason a note is played. Its not as black and white as you think. It is straight up impossible for music to played or composed or improvised without any real emotion.

Thats why a lot of people think Jerry was probably the best rocj improvising guitarist. If you listened to alot of Jerry, You can actually tell what Jerry's thinking and what phsycological changes he went through from just listening to them. None of his playing was ever pointless. He also had the ability to be more focused and write classic songs like Box of Rain, Dire Wolf, and West L.A. Fadeaway with Robert Hunter.

The reason most songs today are only four-five minutes is because of the recording/radio industry. Before that a song that was less than 5-6 minutes wasn't even called a song, just a minature/minuet. Most Bands, no matter what genre, that I see always play longer versions of there songs. Just because they can.

Look, I am a musician. I'm in a band. I find craft to be far more important than skill over one's intrument. I love hearing my favorite songs with improvised verses and extended intrumental parts, but they weren't intended to support those jams. They were written for a different reaons. The songs jam bands play aren't crafted. Anybody could write the songs, but they just happen to be exceptional at playing things over them, which I find add nothing to the tune after awhile. I don't think being able to solo without stopping shows ANY emotion other than, "I'm really digging this groove, man."

The Beatles certainly were aided by good production, but they wrote the best fucking songs. That's why they're great, and why I'd rather hear them over Phish or the Dead.

[Bobo Adobo]

Im not trying to get you to like the Phish or the Dead more than the Beatles. Im not even trying to get you to like them at all. I don't get why you bring them up anyway. Do you just do it to piss me off?

Most Jam acts I like **(WSP, Dead, Medeski Martin and Wood, Gov't Mule, Jazz Mandolin Project, Dirty Dozen Brass Band, Sam Bush, Keller Williams, The Radiators, to name a few)** are well capable writing well "crafted" songs,and have done so quite often.

I think that the craft of song-writing and musicianship go hand in hand. Besides, you can't compose music if you have no knowledge of it. The more you know about music theory, your more able to come up with better and original songs. I think that good soloists add more energy to songs, and help bring about more emotion and direction to the melody.