Thanks to the war....

[El Blanco]

That would make sense, ie. the two number ones thing, if the Giants hadn't gotten the #1 pick, Eli Manning. Yes, they lost a #1, but you''re certainly not in the red when you flip Rivers for Manning.

Rivers plus this year's #3 plus next year's #1 and #5. If the Giants have another crappy year, this will really bite them in the ass.

Keep in mind that the Giants were among most lists to make the Super Bowl last season. MANY things went wrong, but they still have the tools there to be a competitive playoff team. The Giants gave up the #1 out of reasonable optimism. They're not counting on being where they were in this year's draft.

Have you seen what the rest of the NFC East did? Philly pickeds up TO and Jevone Kearse. Washington grabbing Clinton Portis. Dallas getting Keyshawn Johnson and Drew Henson.

I really don't see what a rookie QB is going to do against the rest of that.

I said upside, right?

In that case, the upside to every rookie QB is he can be the next Montana.

Eli Manning, at this very moment, has greater potential than Kerry Collins.

Blech. "Potential" is French for "ain't done jack shit". Ryan Leaf had potential. So did Dave Brown, Tyrone Wheatly, Ron Dayne, Jeff George, KiJanna Carter....do I need to go on?

Wheatly was waaay overrated, particularly by the Giants.

We didn't know that until he flopped.

Manning is going to be a good QB, the only question is HOW good, IMO.

Yes, he will be a good QB, but it won't do him much good underneath a pile of defensive tackles. You think he'll inherit that stunning Manning family playoff record?