Thanks to the war....

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Fuck it, real quick......

Originally Posted by El Blanco

Rivers plus this year's #3 plus next year's #1 and #5. If the Giants have another crappy year, this will really bite them in the ass.

It just might. However, can you agree that swapping the #3 for the top pick in the draft cancels each other out at least? Even if Rivers turns out better, you can't fault the Giants for the choice. Most people see them as being relatively equal on the fundamentals, with Manning getting a little bit more in the "extra something special" category. Now that may all be hype, but I feel it's a risk worth taking.

Have you seen what the rest of the NFC East did? Philly pickeds up TO and Jevone Kearse. Washington grabbing Clinton Portis. Dallas getting Keyshawn Johnson and Drew Henson.

Which only makes a stronger case for the Giants taking a gamble on Eli Manning. One thing is certain, they wouldn't have been able to compete in the East with Collins as QB. There is no upside to having him as your arm (btw: Drew Henson? Is that really a strike against Manning? Come on.)

I really don't see what a rookie QB is going to do against the rest of that.

Read above.

In that case, the upside to every rookie QB is he can be the next Montana.

No, they can't. Manning was the #1 pick in the draft, and probably the most coveted player to come out. There's a BIG difference between Eli Manning and J.P. Lawson.

Blech. "Potential" is French for "ain't done jack shit". Ryan Leaf had potential. So did Dave Brown, Tyrone Wheatly, Ron Dayne, Jeff George, KiJanna Carter....do I need to go on?

Come on. Dave Brown? Wheatly wasn't even the most praised back in that draft, let alone achieving such status in the NFL. To my recollection, he was a low 1st round pick. You make it sound as if the Giants have never made a solid draft choice, neglecting of course the fact that they drafted arguably the best TE in football just two years ago.

We didn't know that until he flopped.

Once again, read above. I remember watching that draft. They passed up on the Heisman winner for Wheatly. Certainly they didn't think he'd be a total flop, but it was still a risk. Comparing him to Manning however is like apples and oranges. With your logic, every draft choice made by every team ever could be a flop. Well, no duh. You still need to take those risks. One thing, again, is certain-- the Giants with Kerry Collins weren't getting any better.

EDIT: One other quick point. It should be noted that while Wheatley certainly isn't O.J., he is still the rushing leader for the Raiders. He's still a pretty viable (although not great) runningback in the NFL. Not quite a flop.

Yes, he will be a good QB, but it won't do him much good underneath a pile of defensive tackles. You think he'll inherit that stunning Manning family playoff record?

We shall see. I take it I'm speaking with a Jets fan?