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Would these Iraqi's have been tortured by Americans if the chambers didn't exist in the first place?

Originally Posted by mburbank

What the hell college did you go to?

Actually, it was my high school, and it made national news. Hazing, and broomsticks have a long history, and while Saddam's sons prefer catal prods, and vats of hot oil, our Americans seem to go with what they know. I wasn't condoning this as "good ole American fun".

Originally Posted by mburbank

A lot of good people show a lot of outrage all the time. Amnesty International has a large membership. Read Harold Pinter on Torture.

Good people and their outrage obviously isn't enough. Do nothings like yourself should wonder why Amnesty International is so ineffectual and biased. I haven't read Harold Pinter, so maybe you got one up on me here, but an article, or book is just an article or book. None of the above seemed to stop what happened.

Originally Posted by mburbank

I'd gather by you calling this collegiate you think it's no big deal.

Holy dipshit. Do you think the sick perpatrators of this crime thought they were doing dark magic satanic work? I'm pretty sure they thought they were horsing around, and towel snapping, because they were out of their fucking heads. Putting the act in the context of hazing doesn't mean I'm writing it off as merely a hazing incident....besides who the fuck even said I condone hazing or consider anything a "no big deal"? Everything's a big deal to me, that's why I write such long paragraphs. What's wrong with you? I thought you got some diapers.

Originally Posted by mburbank

If you don't think it's a stroong argument, why are you making it?

That wasn't my argument, but It should be considered regardless because there is some merit to it. Of course you're such a knee jerk that you think putting Saddam into context with these events is meant to be an excuse, suggesting these people are used to being tortured, so hey "no big deal". We shouldn't minimize what Saddam did, and what happened in Flallujah, because they set the tone for the lack of humanity on that ground. We may have tortured them, but Saddam built the torture chamber.

Originally Posted by mburbank

Personally, I think occupying a country and filling it's most notorius torture house with fresh inmates brings out the disturbed kid in a lot of people.

Any weird dreams you wanna confess to?

Originally Posted by mburbank

I find the Sudanese behavior outrageous. I'm very much against it. I'm not Sudanese. I am American. My tax money bought the damn wires and ice. If there was any offciial nodding and winking attatched to this, I'm part of it. The outrage of the rest of the world is of interest to me only in that it makes our job that much more impossible and for no good reason.

That's short sighted, and pretty ignorant of the bigger picture. The Sudanese Government and their actions is completely tied to the human rights climate of nations like Iraq, and Suadi Arabia. We have to give money, and get tangled up in their crimes before they become comparable? My point is that this shit goes on all over, and nobody stops it, and the news is filled with it. Our occupation is like sending your kid to a public school cafeteria and making him eat macrobiotic.

Originally Posted by mburbank

If in some way Ethnic cleansing in the Congo makes you feel better about this, I don't get it.

See, you think I was trying to downplay or rationalize this. I'm not. It's the opposite, I'm saying there are horrible things on a far greater scale going on everywhere, and it's pretty emberassing that Americans like yourself only care when our zipper gets caught in the act. It's because we allow attoricities to continue daily, and either do nothing, or wait till it's nearly to late, and then argue wether or not it's even our place to step in and do anything, that such inhuman behavior exists in the world. That it's wrong to look at these events, and talk of them in the same vain as Me Lai, because it belittles what's going on.