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Originally Posted by Perndog
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Originally Posted by ItalianStereotype
bah, there hasn't been a socially "advanced" Islamic country since the Ottoman Empire.
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I think it's amusing that the Islamic world was actually ahead of the West for many years. And then they just stopped developing and stayed where they were in the 15th or 16th century.
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exactly. take the Mameluks, for example. the might of their military was uncontested throughout the region, but by the time the Caliph fell, they had been reduced to calling the Osmans cowards for using firearms.
the West may be decadent, but it's still better than any of the alternatives.