
Mar 17th, 2003, 04:36 PM
Are you denouncing the existance of Palestinian born Jews (known as Sabras)? Palestine was merely a territory, and while the term has been coopted to represent a specific people and their claims to land, it never represented a seperate nation. There were Arabic Palestinians AND Jewish Palestinians. Are you denouncing the body of Sabras that now claim to be a part of an "Israeli nation" rather then a "Jewish Nation" ? Are you denouncing the movement amongst ZIonists that believed in the kinship of living amongst Palestinian Arabs? If we agree that The World Zionist Congress was diverse then how can you suggest they were anything close to a unified political body? Imperialists, Democrats, and Communists, all from seperate regions with seperate interests unified? Hardly. So what's your point? There were bad Zionist factions? Okay. Are they responsible for all the evil in the world? Like say the impending war with Iraq, and the mistreatment of Palestinian Arabs through an entire continent ? Only if you're a bigot.
In response:
There were SIX immigration movements before the formal creation of the State of Israel, mainly motivated by political and economic concerns. Not nationalism. By the time of the Six Day War the Jewish population had ballooned into the millions... why? Not to fullfill their Zionist dreams... there was simply nowhere else to go for the thousands of Russians and Poles, and Germans who left their homes to escape pogroms. "Operation Flying Carpet" removed entire populations of persecuted Arabic Jews from places like Yemen, Libya, Iraq, Egypt, Syria, and to a lesser extent, Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia. When they made it to Israel they created sub-communities, and refused to assimilate for years.
In spite of this, Sabras, born on Palestinian soil constituted 40.4 % of Israel's Jewish population.
So what's the percentage of Arab Palestinians that were dragged out by gun point, and forced from their homes unwillingly without compensation at the hands of Zionists? Hmm?
Are you denouncing the legality of population change overs, and real estate purchases in the modern age??? Plenty of Native Americans can see the difference, why can't you?
You see, I can be plenty critical of Israel (you can scroll above and read my comments on Yom Kippu rock throwing for reference) but I'm not going to do that WHEN DEFENDING MY BELIEFS FROM MORONS LIKE YOU. Idiot. I never said "fuck the palestinians"....you DID say "Zionism is shit" and that IS a direct qoutation.
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