Red-State America at her finest

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

Cute, but in typical Preechr fashion, a bit tangental. I'm certain a conversation about whether or not slavery was the root of the Civil War, who was right or wrong, or whatever, would be a very pleasant conversation. Same goes for desegregation. In fact, if you'd like to start the thread about how big government really caused slavery and everything bad in the world, that'd be great.

You had me at tangental.

We could stage that conversation, but I'm pretty sure you can already imagine my points and your own objections, and I'm quite certain doing so on a public board such as this one would only help me reinforce the whole southern stereotype.

Let's either do that over the phone sometime or wait until I feel less like crapping all over everything south of the Mason-Dixon, Ok?

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

But you're missing the point. I don't really care what Alabamans (?) do with their constitution. Do I wish they would move into the 21st Century and amend the language in their constitution? Certainly. Would I be happy if they had a racist constitution, while at the same time properly funded their schools? Yeah, I could live with that.

I don't really have anything to say about that part. I just felt like I had to include it because you said I was missing a point and I didn't want youto think I didn't read that...

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

And as much as I'd love to attack the overly simplistic dichotomy of "red" and "blue" states, the fact is that there are distinctions there. Has it become a cliche to call the south ignorant, racist, and backward? You bet it has. But sometimes you gotta call 'em like you see 'em, and this happens to be IGNORANT, RACIST, AND BACKWARD.

But somehow it's not ignorant... oh, excuse me... IGNORANT!!one... for DEMOCRATS to SHIT on the GAY portion of "their" constituency by not effectively having a non-Republican stance on gay marriage, or the BLACK/HISPANIC crowd by sending in the same 1980's crowd that the respective communities have all but abandoned here 20 years later.

The reason your red/blue dichotomy is so darn overly simplistic is because the mover and the shakers behind that which defines red and blue are essentially the same: Straight White Guys and Gals hoping to pander successfully to a certain demographic slice of the American societal pie.

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

I think my problem is that I was all too often willing to attack the disconnected arrogance of the "blue states," while at the same time being apologetic for the "red states."

Well, I'd counter that THE problem is something more along the lines of the reds have learned to pander better than the blues and now the blues are upset about all the pandering... but that's just me... the guy that doesn't appreciate any of the pandering and wishes the panderees could somehow be banned from the selection process...

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

But ya know what? I've grown pretty fucking tired of hearing about the Godless, latte drinking elitists in the "blue" states. I think if my "morals" as a Liberal living in a liberal state are going to get called into question because I didn't vote for the guy who was anti-abortion, then it's open season on these bitches!

I will try my best to refrain from calling you Bitter Betty from now on.

Originally Posted by El Blanco

Kevin, the way you are phrasing your arguments makes you look real petty.

You took an example of something horrible happening in Alabama and are trying to say how this makes "red states" (I'm really begining to hate that term) all evil.

Maybe not as much petty as pissy, but otherwise, YEP. :D

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

Wrong.

Umm... no, not entirely...

Originally Posted by KevinTheOmnivore

I never said that, and as I stated above, this has less to do with the behavior of the "red" states, and more to do with the flat out hypocricy of those who claim to hold the "moral" majority.

"THOSE WHO CLAIM."

That's what's got you pissed, Betty. Your side's claims were recently judged to be less believeable than those of the opposing side. The answer's in the somewhere... I'm sure of it.

Maybe the solution to your grief might be to start supporting a political movement that only wants whatever votes it can accumulate on the basis of agreement, rather than deception. The time has obviously come where the "too complicated to explain" positions of the political left might actually need to be explained to those that are doing the majority of the voting.

Just a thought...