We Like Torture, But We REALLY like SEXY Torture!!!

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by mburbank

When I talk about how much they hate us, I'm thinking of potential future head cutter offers. Some kid who might decide maybe the crazy ass mullah screaming at the Mosque was right about us because it turns out that when we capture them we have near naked women smearing prisoners who may not even be guilty of anything and hve never been charged with menstrual blood.

Obviously, as I've already said, what we're doing is wrong, and you've already highlighted some of the reasons why.

However, we're a far cry from eye gouging being acceptable methods of intelligence gathering. We're playing head games, and while they may classify as cruel and unusual, it doesn't classify as murder.

If that little boy listening to the mullah gets upset and angry towards America, I can understand it. But if he gets upset, gets angry, and then decides the best form of retribution would be to target civilian aid workers and shoot them in the head...well, eh.....no dice. There is a moral line there, and sometimes I feel these so-called insurgents look for any reason at all to act like barbarians.

Kev, baby, I know you're doing the whole devils advocate type thing, but seriously, this has nothing to do with the way terrorisst wage war. My problem with our downaward spiral should not be seen as an endorsement of head cutter offers. But my tax dollars don't funbd head cutting offing and my citizenship isn't a tacit endorsement of head cutting offing.

Well, while I get your point, I think this does have something to do with the way terrorists/insurgents/whatever wage war. You're right, our tax dollars shouldn't be going towards these strange, inhumane, although terribly erotic forms of intelligence gathering. I do think this is bad policy, because the pragmatist tells me that the people we're dealing with will rationalize this in a way that they can justify murderous acts.

But then the reactionary, irracible American in me says "wait a minute, they CHOP HEADS OFF, AND KIDNAP CATHOLIC BISHOPS, AND DO DAILY DRIVE-BYS AT CHURCHES IN MOSUL, AND CAR BOMB THEM, ETC. ETC. WHERE'S THEIR RESPECT FOR RELIGION AND TOLERANCE, HUH? FUCK THEM! FUCK THEM UP THEIR STUPID ASSES!"

Then I calm down.

I feel as if even the most hawkish ought to know that stacking prisoners in naked pyramids and making them think we're defiling them with menstrual blood is beneath us as Americans, it stains us, it makes us bad people. I feel like we all ought to agree on that, and I feel like any leader who didn't want to get to the bottom of shit like this and make it stop, well, that leader is no longer someone who just disagrees with me politically, that leader is a great big bag of shit.

Agreed. This practice needs to stop.