Jesus Christ is the Devil !!!!!!!!!666!!

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Which, isn't to say that it's useless, rather just to say one can fuck for procreation OR for pleasure.

Sure but as is the kahl case is how you approach philosophy for pleasure. With what attitude. I was making fun of the attitude. I've discussed the existence of god with women just to get in their pants. Now if I had the arrogance of the mighty noble savage discovering the hidden meanings of the universe painted over my face as I did that... well safe to say that someone mocking me would be doing me a favour.

it won't wreck my Faith in the science of Newton. Scientists like Einstien would be bothered by this though.

See we have to have a cohesive model of reality which rests upon some founding presuppositions to then concern ourselves with the various byproduct applications of the various sciences. That we do not know what makes mass attract mass is not the issue (and what kind of loaded question would it be to ask 'why' mass attracts mass anyway). The issue is that mass attracts mass. If we have identified this beyond reasonable (read: through rigorious testing) doubt that this is indeed so, we have a foundation to build on. These foundations are constantly refined, I agree, and at best still remain reasonable theories and now with QM stuff is in the air a lot. I don't have anywhere else to go with this so moving on.

So in that sense, their unwillingness to accept new discoveries was a barrier to learning. So perhaps this disparate discourse is not completely without use, if it serves to unclench a closed mind. But I'll freely admit I have no such noble illusions when I engage in it. I do it all for Eris.

This constantly happens in science. Almost all of the modern scientific breakthroughs, especially since they are modern have been about debunking old science in new and inventive ways. No discussion there. I agree that arguing from the point of view of the total sceptic is useful for more than intellectual wankery, it's just that most indulge in it just for that. They get so caught up on that "gosh, these are pretty complicated concepts and i'm managing them! I must be really smart! I must tell someone about all this to be validated!" which is such a waste, in my opinion. This is my general view of occultists of most types. They're just advanced crossword puzzle enthusiasts, for whom crosswords no longer are interesting enough, so they invent their own languages and own terminology, which by effect creates a whole new bunch of natural puzzles to solve. And what's more, they then teach other enthusiasts their new languages, and test each other to see who is geek alpha male in their little simulated field. They do this so much, after a while they start believing their invented language relates to deep human truths. They read crowley books about how to have a penetrating stare and they sometimes quietly look at the back of the head of the girl they like and go "YOU.. FEEL.. COMPELED TO WORSHIP.. ME". Nggrh. Heaven forbid when these people stumble upon something that works, for whichever reason. Then they're bona fide vampires, immortals, gods.