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Originally Posted by El Blanco

You are refering to extremist old schoolers. Even that general admits he wasn't speaking on behalf of the government.

why were no apologies made? why was nothing retracted? this sort of language has started wars in the past and this sort of thing isn't exactly new to the Chinese. it's an underhanded tactic used by the Party to intimidate other nations.

China isn't invading anyone else anytime soon. They can't go after Taiwan or Japan because their navy is a joke. Its actually considered a small branch of their army. They have no troop transports and would get slaughtered by the Taiwan defense, never mind if we actually did decide to step in.

I'm not as concerned about a naval invasion as I am about a missile strike. the Chinese missile systems are infinitely more advanced than they were even 15 years ago, thanks almost entirely to their espionage in the US. the same thing with their nuclear program. the Chinese have stolen some of our most sensitive nuclear technology and it has benefitted them immensely.

Afghanistan and Pakistan? For what? Lots of useless land and a populace thats going to keep drawing them into the mountains and grinding away at them? That is, if we have already left.

I'm not sure about Afghanistan, especially with the US occupation, but I know Pakistan is already getting into bed with China. they've signed weapons treaties and the Chinese have an oil and gas agreement with Pakistan, plus other communications, infrastructure, and high technology deals. Pakistan's proximity to China guarantees that they'll be in the Sino sphere of influence. it's still too early to determine whether or not this will really be bad for us.

South Korea? They don't want to go head to head with us anymore than we want it. And before anyone pipes up, no, we don 't want that.

any action against south korea is going to involve north korea as well. now, the two militaries combined are more than enough to overwhelm our forces in the area, especially since we are otherwise occupied elsewhere. I'm pretty sure the Chinese would be willing to support their Korean allies if a war were to ever occur, as our response would be limited. the UN wouldn't do a damn thing about it either, as Russia and China are like husband and wife at this point.

Russia ? Ya, go ahead and start a war in Siberia. Think Hitler and Napolean hit roadblocks?

when the Chinese are economically and militarily powerful enough, I have no doubt in my mind that they're going to want their Far East back. at that point, I think that China will be so influential in the affairs of Russia that they'll get exactly what they want with little bloodshed.

The Old Guard of the Moa Communists is dying off. The new leaders are realizing the benefits of a capitalist society and why its a good idea to play nice with th rest of the world. Any military build up can be attributed for wanting to project power to protect their interests.

not as much as you might think. since the end of the Cultural Revolution, there have been periods of progressive economic and cultural policy, but these have always been brutally repressed whenever they advanced too far. there is far too much centralized authority in the CCP to dismiss the Mao style Communists. where there is authoritarianism, there is always an authoritarian.

Are they still doing underhnded shit? Ya.
Do I trust them? As about as far as I can throw them all.

and they're still doing underhanded shit because they have no desire to play nice with the rest of the world. they want to be the hegemon. it's no secret, in fact, it's all but the official position of the government.

But, you have to realize what an actual war would cost them in comparison to what they'd actually gain.

a devastating war for the US would probably suit them quite nicely. hell, they've already said they won't rule out a nuclear war with the US because they feel that their population is enough to survive an exchange. if we lose our international influence, they would become preponderant in Asia and, most likely, throughout much of the world.

they have a manpower pool larger than our entire population and we're basically GIVING them high technology, advanced weaponry, and economic capital. they're quickly modernizing and they see us as not just an enemy, but THE enemy.

Originally Posted by kellychaos

Who, in the history of the world, has exploited them more than Japan? I find your view reactionary and extreme and would prefer a point of reference to your arguments over reading in between very fine lines and ethnocentric speculation.

for one, the Chinese Communist Party has exploited the Chinese far more than any foreign power. but before you start crying for them, just remember that they were one of the most powerful countries, and at times THE most powerful, throughout most of recorded history.

do tell me, what is so very ethnocentric about my thoughts? it's hard to speak of China without referring to the Chinese people, so that much is really unavoidable. I'm not making this a white people versus yellow people discussion, I'm talking about an established power versus a belligerent rising power.