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[El Blanco]

Originally Posted by ItalianStereotype

why were no apologies made? why was nothing retracted? this sort of language has started wars in the past and this sort of thing isn't exactly new to the Chinese. it's an underhanded tactic used by the Party to intimidate other nations.

They are trying to keep face. Let them blow wind. Our Ofio class subs are more than enough to make sure its just shit talking.

I'm not as concerned about a naval invasion as I am about a missile strike. the Chinese missile systems are infinitely more advanced than they were even 15 years ago, thanks almost entirely to their espionage in the US. the same thing with their nuclear program. the Chinese have stolen some of our most sensitive nuclear technology and it has benefitted them immensely.

They are eyeing Taiwan and Japan for their economic infrastructures. Wiping the cities off the face of the Earth kind of puts a dent in that. Its a much better idea to send in troops that can actually occupy the centers.

I'm not sure about Afghanistan, especially with the US occupation, but I know Pakistan is already getting into bed with China. they've signed weapons treaties and the Chinese have an oil and gas agreement with Pakistan, plus other communications, infrastructure, and high technology deals. Pakistan's proximity to China guarantees that they'll be in the Sino sphere of influence. it's still too early to determine whether or not this will really be bad for us.

Pakistan is currently both sides, like they and India did during the Cold War.

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any action against south korea is going to involve north korea as well. now, the two militaries combined are more than enough to overwhelm our forces in the area, especially since we are otherwise occupied elsewhere. I'm pretty sure the Chinese would be willing to support their Korean allies if a war were to ever occur, as our response would be limited.

You'd be surprise just how effective a few B2s can be. Again, we wouldn't have to directly engage them. I also think you're overestimating just how happy the PRC is with Kim Jong Il. They've yanked the leash on him several times when he ran his mouth too much.

the UN wouldn't do a damn thing about it either,

As cynical about them as I am, even I have to hope they'd be more active in that. If they let china run through a sovereign nation simply because they like the trade relationship, the orginaztion is sunk at that exact moment

as Russia and China are like husband and wife at this point.

You are seriously over estimating that relationship.

when the Chinese are economically and militarily powerful enough, I have no doubt in my mind that they're going to want their Far East back. at that point, I think that China will be so influential in the affairs of Russia that they'll get exactly what they want with little bloodshed.

I'd say Western Europe and the United States has just as much a chance to be a powerful influence in Russia as China.

not as much as you might think. since the end of the Cultural Revolution, there have been periods of progressive economic and cultural policy, but these have always been brutally repressed whenever they advanced too far. there is far too much centralized authority in the CCP to dismiss the Mao style Communists. where there is authoritarianism, there is always an authoritarian.

Yes, but little by little, the human rights are increasing.

and they're still doing underhanded shit because they have no desire to play nice with the rest of the world. they want to be the hegemon. it's no secret, in fact, it's all but the official position of the government.

The can say it all they want. They realize it just isn't going to happen.

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a devastating war for the US would probably suit them quite nicely.

I don't think you remember our doctrine from the Cold War. Mutually Assured Destruction. I have no idea how being turned into a radioactive wasteland suits them.

hell, they've already said they won't rule out a nuclear war with the US because they feel that their population is enough to survive an exchange.

Yes, there would still be Chinese people. But, there would be no China. We don't have to wipe out the entire population, just level their military and industrial centers. What good is all them people if they have no manufacturing capabilities?

if we lose our international influence, they would become preponderant in Asia and, most likely, throughout much of the world.

Just how would they escape unscathed?

[quote]they have a manpower pool larger than our entire population and we're basically GIVING them high technology, advanced weaponry, and economic capital. they're quickly modernizing and they see us as not just an enemy, but THE enemy.
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An enemy they are going to have to coexist with. I'm not saying roll over and take their shit, but you gotta realize that a fight with them over some hardliner blowing wind just isn't to anyone's advantage.