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Old Aug 13th, 2005, 02:14 PM       
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Originally Posted by ziggytrix
My argument is that mainstream Islam is not concerned with the violent conversion of nonbelievers to Islam.
Right, but what are they concerned with? That seems to me to be the real question. The topic wasn't how is Islam spread (which is where the convo went), but rather, what Western behavior has helped inculcate bad behavior on the part of extremist muslims.

I don't think that Wahhabists or "extremists" are concerned with converting the West either. I do however believe that they want to hurt the West, and the question is do we remain open and tolerant and pluralistic in order to feel really good about ourselves, or do we start to take a firm stance against those who might hurt us?

I personally don't care if people want to be muslim, and no, I don't hate them. I would love to live in a warm, feel-good society where we all live side-by-side and go bowling together on Fridays. But look, for example, at the Scandinavian countries. granted, it's one slightly xenophobic society clashing with another, but it hasn't been a pleasant transition with their new muslim neighbors.

Is it our weakness that they hate? Is it our willingness to be open to almost anything that conveys weakness to them...? Would there actually be a better coexistance if we got tougher?


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I just didn't want to ASSUME that he was a Christian just because he seems to have something against Muslims.
And had he provided you that info up front, the whole conversation could've been avoided. Be up front about your Christianity, and we'll just figure out what you think aboout Islam. The system is flawless. Maybe we can have like a jesus fish emoticon to speed it up.
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