Bush wants control of the military in the event of the flu.

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Originally Posted by kahljorn

Yea, cause never has there been any kind of biological agent used to attack people. Like anthrax or something.

Every biological agent used for attacking people, or stored for later use is either a nature disease (like flinging rotting cows over castle walls, Hitler's pipedream bubonic plague bomb, or smallpox infected blankets given to the Indians) or an enhanced version of a current disease, like what some said Saddam's Dr. "Germ" was working on.

So you'd still have to admit that even if used to attack a populace, it's simply more likely that HIV was natural, and not made from scratch. Why make a new disease when you have plenty of perfectly good ones already?

Now, when you look at the theory of it being used in an atgtack... one what? It came from Africa. Who sees a political enemy in a larger population of poor Africans who are dying of malnutrition anyway? It's laughable.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Overpopulation is a concern, maybe you don't understand that double of 2 billion is alot more than double of 2 million?

Oh fuck, I get it now... You confused Moore's Law with population growth. No dear, the 'doubles every 6 months' is processor speed and memory in the computer business. "Doubles every twenty minutes" is the rate of population growth for bacteria. I know of no statistic of population doubling, although it would easily be manageable to doubled every say... 200 years. Remember, the current capacity and congestion of big cities would have been unthinkable to most people in the middle ages. Humanity adjusts, society evolves and the species goes marching on.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

What about the fact that most of that population are going to be slummy poor people with how the world is going right now.

See turn of the century America. the government really doesn't have as much of an issue with the masses living in hoovervilles, the people in said hoovervilles do. You still are suggesting that the American government invented AIDs, right?

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Really, once it's a big enough society the cost to keep it functioning properly gets higher and higher.

As the society grows and technology advances, the capacity to handle larger populations does as well. According to your logic, Rome should have been an impossibility.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I don't really see how you can argue an overpopulation problem, but you're welcome to attempt it I suppose ;/

You're not arguing strickly that though, you were arguing it was the motivation for HIV being invented as a weapon. You're using that weaselling tactic of creationists; when one makes good arguments against a 6000 year old Earth, they ask why you hate God. Same principle here. Overpopulation is a problem in some areas, but certainly not all across the globe, or equally. And considering human babies are made of the mother's food, it's likely food and water shortages would affect birthrates before it severly hampers adults.

If you were to ask me to put an estimate on how many humans the Earth can support, I'd likely have that number shattered in the future. The concept of 6 billion living people would confound a person from 1600, and he'd argue that was impossible, and it would be in his day.

I'm not a jackass, I'm just being rational.