Free Will and determinism and...

[Preechr]

At the risk of being called irrelevant once again...

Originally Posted by kahljorn

What is the will of God again?

Whatever it is. IF there is a creator, then there is a will.

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Yes, because you know how big of an effect your daily choice in lunch snackery has on the universe

Mm-Hmm... While I doubt it, it is possible. Maybe, one day I decide to eat someone that turns out to be important? Maybe I snack up that butterfly that was supposed to flap it's wings and begin the apocalypse.

Wait a minute! Maybe it's my choice to hold this discussion among i-mockers that has rendered my points of view irrelevant! :/

Thanks, kelly, for at least reading what's been said.

For the rest of you, please remember that someone once told you that math is but one tool you have at your disposal. You have a nice claw hammer there, but I'd recommend something more appropriate for changing your oil or bathing your dog. I know that one of the privledges of knowing stuff is being able to berate those that don't know that stuff... or at least aren't as interested as you in wearing such knowledge as some sort of badge... but you might want to think a little more about how being a smartass can make you at least appear to be a dumbass.

After three pages, it's pretty obvious this discussion is going nowhere. It seems to me, and I might be wrong, that a discussion of this type is one of ethical and even (OMG!) metaphysical concerns moreso than one of science or math. As scientifically oriented and theologically ignorant individuals, I'm sure you believe your part in this discussion would be to stop it altogether, since you might well believe science to for some reason be at odds with metaphysics or any sort of God-talk.

Whatever. Hope your horizons expand someday.