Thank God this doesn't apply to the Catholic Church!

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

I don't really feel I have to show that alot of christians are fucked up. You've already conceeded it multiple times. Why do I need to argue it? "Everybody's a sinner" hurray! Now all you need is the stretch to, "alot of people don't even try". Is repentance truly deserving by someone who asks for it from God on their death bed because they are afraid of dying(see:going to hell), but they've been sinful murderous bastards their entire life?

Who knows whether or not these people have truly been sinful? YOU?

Do you truly believe that Christians should be perfect people? I know you can try to fracture together some things written by Paul to assert that claim, but do you truly believe that?

Personally, if I lived a life of bullshit I couldn't honestly see myself allowing myself into heaven. But that's just me, and i have standards for myself. Thank God there's people like you to save everyone.

No, thank God that GOD decides who has sinned and who hasn't, as well as who shall be forgiven and not forgiven, rather than some pissant on the internet.

This aspect of Christianity still seems very hard for you to grasp.

If i remember right this thread was about religion in general,

Originally Posted by kahljorn

When was the last time you saw Christianity as the mass religion it is dolling out help to mankind? What percentage of christianity do you think is christ like?

We'll start it out with a beaut:
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Does this imply to you that people who sin will not go to Heaven?

Maybe you should just read the chapter, or hell, read the bible?

Or better yet, maybe i should google a bunch of passages from a random assortment of testaments that I feel will substantiate my point. I mean, they really don't, because of my lack of an actual, viable point. But hey, all I need to do is throw them in there and make my post "so long no one will read it"

Eph. 3:7 : Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. That's KJV, I like that one because it really expresses what I'm trying to express.

WHAT!!? WHAT THE HELL DOES IT EXPRESS!!???

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness. I hope you enjoy that one.

Not nearly as much as i'm enjoying this post, but it came close. Once again, how does this reinforce your point? What, Kahl, IS your point?

The point I have taken away from this is that most Christians lie, most Christians are selfish, and most Christians don't really mean it when they say they're sorry (which is the REAL irony in you posting this scripture).

I'll ask you again-- Does God expect that Christians will never sin? Answer that in 5 or less sentences.

All the wrath of God stuff is quite real, and in fact Christ mentions hell far more often than it gets mentioned in the OT. That being said, Christ offered himself up as a sacrifice for us, so that we may be saved for our sins.

Let's review, Kahl. Maybe you can google a scripture to support you on this: Who determines and either condemns or forgives one's sins?

To me the previous verse sort of expresses that when you are truly following the teachings of christ, you change. There was another chapter that i posted above where coming to christ initiates change. Most christians don't change except in an arbitrary way.

You're amazing.

I also reccomend a few books that aren't in the bible, namely the story of Ezekiel, including ezekiel 2 and 3. You might also want to consider investing some time in the study of Elisha.

I'll just let that stand on its own in bold.

I guess in the end it still comes down to if you think lazy people are truly following God. I know plenty of christians, tons actually, so don't try to tell me that they are all absolute reflections of Jesus Christ because I've seen the way they use his name(even alot of the good christians are poor representations of chrisianity).

Have you decided that those people aren't good Christians? Now who's job is that, Kahl?

A few more things in response to your direct quaries:
"If a person sins and doesn't ask to be forgiven, it may be unchristianly, but it doesn't necessarily make them bad or faux Christians. "

I think what you mean is that it doesn't make them a bad person, but it does make them a bad christian. If being christian is the following of christ, than whenever you don't follow him you're being a BAD CHRISTIAN. You're SINNING that's BAD(this is how language generally works, especially adjectives in case you didn't know). Now what would be good would be "Repenting" and accepting that you were bad and attempting to change it(Remorse and contrition?). No, wait, we'll pretend like it was okay and continue with our lives.

Who forgives, Kahl???

You can talk all big and bad about generalizations like you never do it, "Republicans!" "BUSH!" "Democrats" "We" "Chrisians". You do it as much as anyone else, and it's done because it can be. Keep pretending like you've never generalized, though, and then argue that because I'm generalizing my argument is flawed, but the fact of the matter is that not many people are perfected images of christ. Do you want to argue that? If not, than accept my generalization and knock it off with your gradeschool debating.

Who can be a perfected image of Christ, Kahl? 20 points.

And there's a difference between generalizations in politics and in spirituality. If I say "African-American males in DC are inclined to vote Democratic," there's hard data to support me on that. You seem to be arguing more so off of perception, and in doing that you are playing judge, jury, and executioner of every Christian on Earth.

I believe i posted a chapter above that contained information about the rich not being rich of heart, and that they should lavish humanity with gifts... however, here's a few more: Psalm 37:16, psalm 52:7, psalm 62:10.. here's a popular one, kevin: Matthew 19:23-24, Mark 10:23(mark has tons of versus about it), luke 8:14(so does luke).. there's plenty more. The one I mentioned previously is a great one, and I like it.

What about Matthew 25: 14-30? Do your 10 scriptures smash my 1? I don't think it truly matters, because I don't think anything you've posted helps you articulate your point.

Maybe you should get some sleep. Asshole.