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Old Dec 29th, 2005, 11:40 AM       
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I agree with Bubba that you need to elaborate more fully on what you mean by terms like 'perception'. Do you mean to say that 'sense-data' are the only knowable reality?
Sort of. Perception is taken here in a strict sense - what I see, hear, smell, etc. But I also perceive thoughts as well. Perception, as used so far, is the collection of phenomenon known to myself.

I tend to frequently use words in ways like this as well:
Perception - The totality of my perceptions.
Perceptions - Phenomenon.
Phenomenal reality - The environment where all my perceptions interact (might need to make this one more rigorous as I continue, but we'll see)

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Also, what is the nature of the association between perceptions and reality? It's unclear if you mean that reality is unknowable but still exists (kind of like believing in a god), or if you mean that we cannot know if reality exists. If you ascribe to the former, then aren't you accepting a form of realism?
I cannot know if reality exists beyond my perceptions. Perceptions exist and are real, even if they are only real as perceptions. Whether a greater, underlying reality exists as well cannot be known. Neither of your assertions are correct; the reality of the phenomenal is knowable, but any reality outside perception is unknowable.

My starting point for my philosophy is myself. I haven't gotten to addressing other human beings yet in this thread.

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And how do you distinguish between 'real' perceptions, and illusions, hallucinations and other 'unreal' perceptions?
Illusions and hallucinations still exist as perceptions - they are merely inconsistent with the phenomenon that normally are experienced. Hence why we can distinguish them from other perceptions.

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