"I'm not exactly sure, again, what it is you are saying or where you are getting it from. "
My point was that business isn't just merely the accumulation of money but the aquisition of desires(especially since currency didn't even originally exist, not that I'm saying it's a bad thing). This may involve trading "Money" or it may involve trading chickens, but the fundamental purpose of business for all of man-kind(not just the businesses) is aquisition of things you need/want. Somehow contrast that with your ideas of life supposed to be happy etc. Essentially I was just undermining one of your three pillars...
The reason I said "Government is out for profit" is because, for the capacity of this thread, they are. I don't think we've ever had a government like this before that had such a vested interest in money(not to say that others haven't, because all of them have). You can argue that it doesn't have any interest in money(national deficit), but have fun trying to explain why money(Budget) was taken out of New Orleans to be put into iraq so they could get oil. I don't really care if you consider that paranoia, the simple fact is they invaded a country and are now receiving oil through the vice-president's former company. Don't think he's not getting some money from that.
"I'm trying to imagine a one-sided situation using the framework of your alternate example"
It wasn't supposed to be one-sided, it was supposed to fit the capacity of multiple circumstances, that is why I said, "Your entire problem is that you...". Business making money is good for people who run businesses, but not good for the how many ever other millions who are running on the concept of, "Desire and Aquisition".
"Doing business with one another is, as I see it, you competing with someone else for some sort of value you might gain."
I don't really believe you can "Gain value". That's all a myth that was created, but I do think you can gain Food and shelter and other things necessary to your survival. That's what business was all about, originally. "I have no food but you do but you have no horse shoes how about I make you some horse shoes for some food". Get it? Business is done so people who don't have certain things they need for their survival(like food) can receive it in trade for an item of equal 'value'. This is how humans think who don't own billion dollar businesses.
"I said we were inoovative by nature. I inferred that our educational system and our economic model is built in such a way as to leech that out of us."
Me too.
"THAT just made my sig, dude. "
Is that an honor or something?
"Public education is a function of the transfer of power. "
Then why is it that one of the biggest concerns for public education is how much funding it receives? Why indeed? Could it be because our government places it's "Power" in how much money it has? Could it be because that is how most governments are based? Notice, the more powerful countries usually have more money(and are usually doing things to earn more), while the poorer ones usually have less or have it more concentrated in their government then in their people. How exactly does that fit in?
Like I said, you seem to be confusing ideal for the present.
"What does that even mean?"
It means the people who make our children's toys make cheap knock of products or whatever you said because they are more interested in money than delivering a product, which could unintentionally harm our children. Like I said, Purely emotional response.
"Is that what you believe you got from you education? At what point were you trained to balance a checkbook in school? Please contrast that date with the date on which you received your first credit card offer in the mail."
I learned that the government cares more about pocketing a couple million from cutting the education budget than they do about actually educating.
"Hopefully, you can see that government funded education is only ever gonna hope to leech power from you; to enslave you."
Yea, I can see that and I even understand it. That's why I said "Healthy citizens" and all that jazz, and commented on how the government likes stupid people. YOU JUST MADE MY SIG!
"Get government out of the education industry and give it back over to the people most interested in making sure our kids don't wind up slaves to someone: our parents. "
Hand education over to people who were barely educated by our government? Over to people who may or may not be chester the molester?
"Government is a separate one. We don't want to form an exchange rate between money and power. "
Our entire government is based on money. It's ability to have the power to "Build roads", "Goto war" and "Refurbish a city" (even making laws costs money for some reason) or whatever governmental power you want to talk about is going to be based on how much money the budget can spare for it. Dare I say, "Duh"? That's why I said "If" at the begining, it was a hypothetical situation imagining the people who run our government as being interested in money and considering it in their day to day affairs when they appropriate their governmental "Power". Oh so hypothetical.
"IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO! "
It's supposed to restrict, "Bad human nature" (according to you) and I'm saying that many businesses are run by "Bad human nature". What do you consider bad human nature exactly? You know what, nevermind. Just ignore the idea that government should restrict business from treating everyone like slaves. Minimum wage? Who needs it! Those bastards deserve a penny for every piece of clothing they stitch! Think of all of that profit
"it's easy to see how you could jump to the conclusion that those that do not wish to give you stuff for free... stuff such as a job... would decide instead to give your job to someone on which they could could save a bit of salary. "
What does this even mean? That it's okay to give jobs away because I don't have a job and I demand one for free? People ALREADY HAD THESE JOBS. They were, ALREADY EARNING A LIVING. I really only threw the trickle down effect as a "Hey why the fuck not" type thing, but you are essentially outlining the trickle-down effect when you say businesses purpose is to create profit, even at the price of quality and whatever sins they commited in the process.
"I'm saying that our economy would be healthiest when based in highly paid though highly educated (continuously) innovators and supported by varying levels of service entrepreneurs."
Now you're somehow completely forgetting the present. How are people in our country going to be highly educated with a shitty education system that is shitty because our government is more interested in money than educating people? I agree that that would be awesome, but that's not the way things are. This article was about the present, right, not 50 years in the future? The majority of this country is not "Highly Educated". End of story.
The philosophies you are describing are currently in effect, and really aren't working too well. I've never seen a business that wasn't out for profit, I've never seen a government that didn't want power. The only thing that's different in the seperation of Work and State.
Again, though, with parents educating you're touching on anarchist ideas again.
The entire problem with your philosophy is that you are essentially quoting a rock paper scissors game. Business beats the people, but government beats business, and the people beat government! They don't beat government when they are 'stupid' and poorly educated, and Government doesn't beat business when business is supplying the Government with it's power. Our government practically is a business, that's why you might notice a trend of most of our presidents being successful business men who are all millionaire's or more.
P.S. Since you're a big fan of corny sayings, have you ever heard this one? Money is power.
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