Aksariya Mosque bombing pushes Iraq toward civil war

[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by mburbank

Probably not, and if that had been the question I asked, it would have been a great answer. Do you feel that Iraq tumbling into civil war is an unlikely enough scenario that we needen't give it very much thought?

Max, it's the same question over and over again from you. Not to sound like Preechr, but every time the next "tipping point" in Iraq occurs, you jump all over it.

Yes, civil war would be bad. Does that even need to be said? How could the Pentagon have truly planned fo this in a way that would've been to your liking, asid from building a time machine, going back to 2003, and stopping the invasion....?

Would closing off the borders have prevented this? This was acted out by two guys, and although a lot of insurgents are coming from other countries, a lot of these folks are homemade terrorists. What does th U.S. do to prevent a group of muslims from blowing up a sacred muslim site? What does the U.S. do to prevent Shiite militias from attacking clerics and innocent people (aside from killing them)?

And Kevin. No, we didn't blow up the Mosque. We are nto to blame for blowing up the Mosque. We are to blame for being there, and the conditions favorable to the people who blew up the Mosque are a direct result of that mistake.

Really? Us being there caused a handful of savages to blow up sacred ground? I guess you'r right, Saddam never would've stood for this insurgency stuff. Nor would he have tolerated Shiite militias running around killing people. Nope, Saddam would've had a plan to deal with all of this.

This stuff should help Ramsey Clark's defense.

What exactly have we made better in Iraq since we got there?

1. Toppled an oppressive and brutal dictator.
2. Enabled the first democratic elections in the history of Iraq

Those two seem pretty big to me. For a more comprehensive list of stuff, relating to education, health, and basic infrastructure, this blog I had posted in an earlier thread does a pretty good job: http://chrenkoff.blogspot.com/.

I agree. Lets start by not helping them kill each other if that's what they are intent on doing. Lets say we don't fund them, or do it for them, or arm police forces that turn out to be death squads.

Not fund them? How will that solve a damn thing? As abc pointed out, where we leave off, countries such as Iran will step in.

As I said earlier, we are in fact th only glue keping this thing together. The Iraqi factions wil not negotiate with each other if we aren't there, and our enemies will view our capitulation as carte blanche on Iraq. It will set a far worse precedent throughout the Middle East than the one you clam we've already set.