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Old Jul 10th, 2006, 11:22 PM       
[quote="kahljorn"
Well we were talking about the curse of ham, right? Isn't his son Canaan the one who gets the curse put on him, and put into a life of servitude? [/quote]

I sure thought we were talking about the curse of Ham, but it's nutty to tie it into black slavery from any angle, and I've just told you it's never been a mainstream Jewish teaching, yet you've attributed it to Jews. Since we're talking about Jewish beliefs (and I'm willing to talk in terms of mythology, but it's still Jewish mythology we're dealing with here) the concept that the ancestry reflects a Beneton commercial is just one way of looking at it - but it's not really how Jews percieve things. We only recognize two tribes for example. Cohens, and Levis. It doesn't matter if you're a Falascha from Ethiopea or an Ashkenazic from Europe, both have members of the two tribes among them. They themselves do not represent their own tribe. In historical terms, there are lots of reasons to question it as well. Ishmael's descendents are said to have died out around 1,000 CE in some circles.

Cowardly, Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel because they hate Jews, and their jealous. As complex as the conflict is, it really starts and ends there.
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