"WIPED OFF THE MAP" - The Rumor of the Century

[Abcdxxxx]

"both convinced that establishing control over certain places will hasten the return of their hero?"

Here you referenced Wikipedia verbatim "Gush Emunim supporters believe that the coming of the messiah can be hastened through Jewish settlement on land they believe God has allotted to the Jewish people as outlined in the Hebrew Bible." Well, sorry, but that's not what they believe.... nor do they believe the Messiah is a "returning hero". So stop bullshiting. You're not in any position to be debating religious Zionism or the teachings of Rabbi Kook.

Israel and Iran had ties before 1979 - what happened in 1979, hmmm? Whatever provocations you would like to assign Israel, does little in exhonorating these leaders "always, now and forever" of just hating Jews. The expression may be political, but their reasonings are not. When Jews in Iran are restricted from going outside on rainy days, is that political? Why would I want to discuss the merits of a nuclear Iran with someone who claims it's due to political reasoning that Persian Jewish women can't test ripened fruit in a market.

If Iran wants nuclear energy then they need to stop talking about war, and stop funding a proxy conflict. If you want a balance of equals, then they'll need to stop questioning Jewish soveriegnty and act as equals first.

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

"both convinced that establishing control over certain places will hasten the return of their hero?"

Here you referenced Wikipedia verbatim "Gush Emunim supporters believe that the coming of the messiah can be hastened through Jewish settlement on land they believe God has allotted to the Jewish people as outlined in the Hebrew Bible."

Sorry. If I was cutting and pasting from a wiki, do you think I would have mispelled their name? I suppose you're trying to infer that I, like you, only get my information from the internet and conversations with people, regardless of what I have said to the contrary.

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

Well, sorry, but that's not what they believe.... nor do they believe the Messiah is a "returning hero". So stop bullshiting. You're not in any position to be debating religious Zionism or the teachings of Rabbi Kook.

First, you don't know what the Hell I'm talking about, now you're enough of an expert that you confidently assert that I don't know anything about it... Instant expert, just add internet.

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

Israel and Iran had ties before 1979 - what happened in 1979, hmmm? Whatever provocations you would like to assign Israel, does little in exhonorating these leaders "always, now and forever" of just hating Jews. The expression may be political, but their reasonings are not. When Jews in Iran are restricted from going outside on rainy days, is that political? Why would I want to discuss the merits of a nuclear Iran with someone who claims it's due to political reasoning that Persian Jewish women can't test ripened fruit in a market.

If Iran wants nuclear energy then they need to stop talking about war, and stop funding a proxy conflict. If you want a balance of equals, then they'll need to stop questioning Jewish soveriegnty and act as equals first.

I didn't say Iran was after nuclear energy. Again: Reading is fundamental. If you don't for some reason actually want to discuss this, then stop posting. If all you want to do is bump your gums regardless of what those that would argue with you have actually said, then go argue with the stop sign down the street. I have addressed everything in your last post, and you have yet to address my fundamental points on this topic. Instead, you are proving Max exactly right in his criticisms of your style of pseudo-argument. I thought maybe you had a chance to prove him wrong here, too...

[Abcdxxxx]

Then I'll answer for you, because you seem to be all tapped out.

1979 marked the ISLAMIC REVOLUTION.

Like Max, you've proven that you wrap your head around stubborn opinions that have no basis in reality. If you don't understand the settlement movement, religious Zionism, and we know you already got schooled on the facts of the first intifada... then why are you pretending your opinions are informed ones?

My rebutal still stands wether we're talking about bombs or energy:

If Iran wants nuclear energy then they need to stop talking about war, and stop funding a proxy conflict. If you want a balance of equals, then they'll need to stop questioning Jewish soveriegnty and act as equals first.

If you can't argue your point any further, then go whimper with Max and Ziggy.

[kahljorn]

Isn't the responsibility aquainted with nuclear energy and nuclear bombs pretty much the same; since if you're making nuclear energy you also have the capacity to make nuclear bombs?
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everytime I read ABC's posts that song, "Catscratch fever" plays in my head for some reason.

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

Then I'll answer for you, because you seem to be all tapped out.

1979 marked the ISLAMIC REVOLUTION.

Like Max, you've proven that you wrap your head around stubborn opinions that have no basis in reality. If you don't understand the settlement movement, religious Zionism, and we know you already got schooled on the facts of the first intifada... then why are you pretending your opinions are informed ones?

My rebutal still stands wether we're talking about bombs or energy:


If you can't argue your point any further, then go whimper with Max and Ziggy.

Whatever. I stopped posting on that other thread, not because I'd been "schooled," but because I'd said pretty much everything I had to say on the topic. Same thing here. I'm not trying to change your mind about anything. That would be pretty stupid, wouldn't it? Do you honestly think you've changed my mind? Are you that stupid? When that day comes, I promise I'll tell you, openly and honestly.

I didn't answer your question because I have no desire to go running with you through the woods at night for no particular reason. THE 1979 ISLAMIC REVOLUTION! Whooptie-doo. I'll PM you a cookie. So what now? I was young, but I can remember when that happened. You? It was a very complicated time that was part of the complicated era in which 2007 is just a small part. Did you think that I haven't already addressed that religion is the smokescreen obscuring the fundamentally political aspect of this conflict? I did, y'know. Did you read that when I wrote it? It doesn't seem so.

As long as you choose to demand that everyone see this as a religious conflict, the only possible resolution is for one side to suffer a total defeat. If you want to drink the Kool-aid and wish yourself into a reality where Muslims are all 100% evil and 1000% unredeemable, go right ahead. Don't expect me to follow. When you go too far off that cliff, I'll stop discussing whatever we're talking about.

You may know a lot about it, but you have a caveman's attitude about the Israeli conflict. Thank God the Israelis running the show over there aren't as stubborn and hard-headed as you for the most part, no offense. You simply will never beat a dog into liking you. I'm not saying the West could offer Muslim extremists enough candy to make all the problems go away, and I'm certainly not advocating appeasement, but I figure the right way is somewhere between that and total annihilation of all Muslims. Sometimes I wonder where you stand on that.

Now, I have to go out of town for a few days, so when you respond, don't get all upset when I don't immediately follow up, Ok? Hopefully this topic will have fallen off by the time I get back. I really do look forward to being completely ignored by you in the next thread where Israel or those damned, dirty Arabs comes up...

[Abcdxxxx]

Stop playing yourself. You've said some stupid shit, and got called on it. If you don't want to defend it, then don't.

p.s. Since when was tolerance, and co-existance a hardliners stance?