The Problem of Evil

[kahljorn]

Animals sometimes play with their food. Cats do. sometimes they play with things that aren't even their food just to play...
Some people kill for survival. Wars, or even if they are poor they might rob a person. everything you do will put someone or something at a loss, it's unavoidable. you can't build a bridge without stones from a quarry am i right?

the reason why some systems have more than one god are for reasons such as this. some people believe the ultimate god may be omnipotent but isn't benevolent. the benevolent god is a lesser god.
Also, like i said, what if gods form of "Good" is something different than just making sure people don't die? What's so evil about that if it's a part of life? The only reason it seems like an important piece of the puzzle is because humans are self-interested and don't want anything bad done to them, thus they think gods interest is the same as theirs. but really why would god care, we're insignificant. but we want to feel significant, aye there's the rub lol
Maybe if evil didn't exist, then life itself couldn't exist. What would we eat? We couldn't eat without making something suffer. have you ever heard the phrase, "God created karma and then he retired," it means god created a world that is self-sustaining, functional and progressive. anyway, i guess all that's besides the point if omnipotents really means he can make anything happen ever.
And if we were nomads or foragers (living freely off the land), we'd think evil is something else like bad rains or tigers or something.

i actually wrote a paper along these lines ;o including a rationalization of how god could be good while avoiding the problem of evil. that last thing was a small Piece of THE SPIE.
my paper focused on what omnipotence means, logically.

but in the end i kind of had the same solution in that i dont think god is benevolent in the way people think. i still had a SORTA SORTA similar tract but it wasn't the same type of benevolence.

[kahljorn]

I mean obviously god isn't benevolent in the way most people think if he's benevolent at all. Just read the old testament. Killing off the entire human race, kicking adam and eve out of paradise. his dicking is endless.

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

lately ive been picturing preechr as an indignant kid waving his finger at people because his icecream spilled.

"Oh no people are discussing philosophy on a philosophy forum this should be about the middle east or economic problems cause that's all i know about"

EXCUSE ME FOR TRYING TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR INFANTILE CONVERSATION

[MattJack]

Oh Preechr you are so hilarious and clever! We really need more libertarians like you. By the way, how is your champion Badnarik doing these days on in the political world? Ron Paul was okay, but he's a Republican isn't he?

I know, I know, it's totally lame to exchange simple to grasp ideas on this forum. I mean, that stuff is so below a guy like you.

That's why we leave all that really cool dead horse stuff, like the middle east conflict, to cool dudes like you and ABCDEFGHIFJXXXX to measure dicks over. I mean, our simple brains can't really compete and put anything valid in, we know. Much less get you to change your allknowing mind.

I also think it's so cute when you act like you are a cool Philo Forum Elite now. After you finally got some acceptance by other elites, you simply took charge! Oh have mercy allknowing one! The condescending tone really does put you in a better position anyway, doesn't it? I'll try it sometime!

I'm going to keep posting in this forum just so a few cool dudes like yourself keep getting butthurt over and over. I know, what was I thinking? I totally forgot how serious and cool this part of the board is!

Wait, I almost forgot! Your comic genius! BEHOLD UNWORTHY ONES!

Originally Posted by Preechr

I got an e-mail today that explained all this.

It was a powerpoint slide presentation that had a succession of really dramatic nature pictures, and some with puppies, and the captions explained pretty well that evil is not a thing, just as darkness is not a thing, nor cold. These are just our words to describe the absence of their opposites, which, apparently, are things. It was all very satisfying, and I highly recommend both of you idiots receive similar e-mails. You too, fake-ass moron character.

LYKE A SPAM E-MAIL?! LYKE AN EMAIL THAT EVERYONE GETZ N STUFF AND IT IS COMPLETELY MINDLESS?! Ho Ho Ho! Quite clever Preechr. Only you and well, every jock I had in my old high school, can show such a sarcasm! Why not just add "nerds" and throw a carton of milk at me too?

Please can I learn from your ways?

[Preechr]

I MEAN YOUR ENTIRE DICSUCSION HERE WAS COMPLETELY COVERED IN AN E-MAIL I RECEIVED FROM MY STEP-MOM JESUS CHRIST

[Preechr]

To be fair, my last post was posted before I read your post, MattJack, so I will respond in a minute... :parlimentarianprocedure

[kahljorn]

that's alright preechr ive read your political idealogy in the works of ann coulter.

[kahljorn]

zing bitch zing

[Preechr]

Nevermind. It's great that you've read something that I've written once, but I really can't respond as Preechr'04 right now. You seem to have skipped a bit ahead here, so I'm not going to try to catch you up.

BUT
Since Kahl, who's been here for a while and is getting to know me a bit, is sort of similarly unfamiliar with where I'm at right now, I'll try my best to post a bit more in here to get you both up to speed for a little while, on a conditional basis. First, stop being so damn retarded, and second, quit throwing your jewelry at the pigs, Ok?

[kahljorn]

whatever ann coulter

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

zing bitch zing

FUCKYOUBITCH

Stay tuned.

Fortunately for you I'm old and I need my sleep.

Within the next few days, you might just see something of interest up in here, and a few days after that, you might also see something else, unlike the last several months.

YOU HAVE HAD A FINGER POINTED AT YOU

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

whatever ann coulter

Preechr may not reply because his or her status is currently set to Snoring Loudly

[kahljorn]

alright dude.
what are you going to post about?

is it about good and evil?
because ive never heard you talk about anything philosophic before. Only political/economic.

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

alright dude.
what are you going to post about?

Preechr may not reply because his or her status is currently set to Snoring in a Drunken Stupor

[Preechr]

...though everything that has ever been subject to philosophical debate has been political and/or economic in nature....

[MattJack]

Originally Posted by kahljorn

Animals sometimes play with their food. Cats do. sometimes they play with things that aren't even their food just to play...
Some people kill for survival. Wars, or even if they are poor they might rob a person. everything you do will put someone or something at a loss, it's unavoidable. you can't build a bridge without stones from a quarry am i right?

the reason why some systems have more than one god are for reasons such as this. some people believe the ultimate god may be omnipotent but isn't benevolent. the benevolent god is a lesser god.
Also, like i said, what if gods form of "Good" is something different than just making sure people don't die? What's so evil about that if it's a part of life? The only reason it seems like an important piece of the puzzle is because humans are self-interested and don't want anything bad done to them, thus they think gods interest is the same as theirs. but really why would god care, we're insignificant. but we want to feel significant, aye there's the rub lol
Maybe if evil didn't exist, then life itself couldn't exist. What would we eat? We couldn't eat without making something suffer. have you ever heard the phrase, "God created karma and then he retired," it means god created a world that is self-sustaining, functional and progressive. anyway, i guess all that's besides the point if omnipotents really means he can make anything happen ever.
And if we were nomads or foragers (living freely off the land), we'd think evil is something else like bad rains or tigers or something.

i actually wrote a paper along these lines ;o including a rationalization of how god could be good while avoiding the problem of evil. that last thing was a small Piece of THE SPIE.
my paper focused on what omnipotence means, logically.

but in the end i kind of had the same solution in that i dont think god is benevolent in the way people think. i still had a SORTA SORTA similar tract but it wasn't the same type of benevolence.

Scientists figured out why cats play with their food. They say it's because they are complete badasses.

I think we as humans could most def prevent a lot of wars if we eliminated the human greed factor and adopted in its place a tolerance/understanding factor. Once again, man falls victim to evil through greed and intolerance.

I don't think dying is evil at all, just a piece that completes your life cycle so to speak. I think dying untimely because you got a knife in the back due to some asshole that wanted your land, is evil. Death in itself is not evil, rather just the end of a cycle.

I think it is perfectly fine and a very human quality to fear death. What creature doesn't want to live besides that emo kid in your high school that just broke up with his g/f? Some of it probably does have to do with one's ego though, which I feel is acceptable.

As far as food, God could provide that, no? Well even if he decided not to, men would have a underlying moral code to make sure everyone has enough. It would basically be a Socialist's paradise(which btw that isn't my politics, don't get it twisted) in the fact that everyone would be equal. Man would understand this and adhere to it without a second thought.

[Preechr]

...nevermind... you two fags deserve one another...

[kahljorn]

that's not true.

the only way it could be true you might as well say everything that has ever been subject to philosophical debate has been human nature

[Preechr]

Originally Posted by Preechr

...nevermind... you two fags deserve one another...

...mmm... Yeah....

[kahljorn]

yea maybe but if i say anything else preechr will go I SENT YOU THAT BOOK or something

anyway making an argument that god isnt benevolent is pretty easy. like i said anybody can look in the bible and find god not being benevolent and being uninterested in human life or human perfection.

you should read chapter three of genesis though since it deals with how god feels about man achieving "Perfection".

[kahljorn]

more faggot talk, just like ann coulter

what was that mmm yeah thing preechr you should stop thinking of young men having sex together that's disgusting.

[Preechr]

www.dictionary.com

...look up philosophy, and see if you see anything that might lead you to believe it has anything to do with something other than human nature...


...SNORE...

[Preechr]

...and where have you discussed evil in terms of something other than human nature up in here.... not that I have read it... so I am possibly, though not likely, setting myself up for contradiction here, though I don't think it really matters, since I have set this whole stage for me being asleep right now...


...and I am closing my Firefox window now, so don't expect anymore sunshine on this forum for a bit...

[kahljorn]

you mean metaphysical?
because that's not economic or political in nature.

like i said THE ONLY WAY you could say that is if that so you're only refuting your own argument sassy pants.

[kahljorn]

i discussed evil in terms of something other than human. or at least laid the path to talk about it.